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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2006, 05:00:31 PM »
Makes you think there should be a teenager sign class that's when you need it the most ;D
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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2006, 05:33:55 PM »
Makes you think there should be a teenager sign class that's when you need it the most ;D

They already do know sign...its called the middle finger :P


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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2006, 05:38:12 PM »
yeah that's a predominant signal by the breed  teenagiscus notadulticus ;)
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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2006, 06:30:07 PM »
They already do know sign...its called the middle finger :P

You beat me to it! I was telling my teenage nieces and nephew about this discussion last night and they all chimed in with "Oh, we know sign language!" Up went the middle finger!

We had a serious discussion about the uses of sign language, then I went in the other room and cracked up!

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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2006, 06:57:35 PM »
It's easier to learn that ASL or BSL and can be understood by those who know both. It's commonly taught to those with developmental disabilities who have little or no verbal skills.


I strongly have to disagree with this. I know the primary author of the SEE book you are referring to. The theory behind see is to teach Deaf kids English... so there is theoretically a sign for every word including "a" "the" "and" and endings like "-ment" "-ness" "-ly"  "-ing." It's a made up sign system... like the Makaton system I linked earlier in this thread.

It may be easier to learn for English speaking adults because it follows English word order. I worked after school in the school where this method was used. As a fluent ASL user,  I had the hardest time understanding the kids. I had to have my colleague interpret for me many times! Instead of being able to express themselves freely and creatively, they were bound to expressing themselves in Signing Exact English. It took forever to get their point. This argument is too broad to make on a message board. Yes, it works for some... but more often than not SEE is lost to ASL as they get older.

Also cultural implication... SEE doesn't have the roots that ASL has, deaf schools, deaf culture etc. ASL like BSL, et al, is a proper language. It has it's own syntax/sentence structure.

Not to mention that many of the signs are just ridiculous and are not conceptual.


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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2006, 10:02:53 PM »
I agree! SEE is awful. It's not conceptual. ASL is MUCH easier to lean. I am not a fluent ASL signer (yet) but I know enough to where I could be of assistance or hold a conversation. ASL is much easier to "read" and faster when it comes to getting your point across.
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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2006, 10:09:49 PM »
That's very interesting. Thank you both for telling me. I have been told by many people that ASL was extremely difficult to learn and that SEE was easier. The SEE that I have learned are just basic signs, which are the ones that many of my clients who are developmentally disabled use. They are incapable of complex language so I've never studied past one-word signs.

Thanks again for the clarification!
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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2006, 10:16:22 PM »
SEE is very difficult...and many people who force deaf children to speak (nevermind they've never heard a sound) promote it. It might be "easier" because it's close to English, but ASL is much better if you want to have a conversation with someone or use conceptual signing. I've been taking ASL classes since August, and I've picked it up much faster than any other language I've ever learned.

ASL is not English. It's a language all of it own. 

Deaf people aren't "developmentally disabled"  "The only thing deaf people can't do is...hear" (famous quote about deafness)
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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2006, 10:22:01 PM »
SEE is very difficult...and many people who force deaf children to speak (nevermind they've never heard a sound) promote it. It might be "easier" because it's close to English, but ASL is much better if you want to have a conversation with someone or use conceptual signing. I've been taking ASL classes since August, and I've picked it up much faster than any other language I've ever learned.

This probably explains it....the people that urged me to study SEE were the parents of hearing impaired children.

Deaf people aren't "developmentally disabled"  "The only thing deaf people can't do is...hear" (famous quote about deafness)

I'm sorry if you misunderstood me, I did not say that hearing impaired people are developmentally disabled. I stated that I work with individuals with developmental disabilities who have little or no verbal skills. In fact, until this post, I have not meantioned individuals who are hearing impaired or deaf.  ???
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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2006, 10:25:07 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean that to come across so personally. I've been hanging out with some deaf people lately, and that's a common misconception many people have....


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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2006, 10:27:01 PM »
Quite alright...I have been known to climb up on a few myself!  :)
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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2006, 06:09:51 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean that to come across so personally. I've been hanging out with some deaf people lately, and that's a common misconception many people have....
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right, because many have poor English skills. That's why parents want them to use SEE.  I saw a poster on the tube that stated a figure that deaf people earn less than hearing people... just because they can't hear.

Most DD people that I've worked with know a few ASL signs. SEE is very popular in the south though... not sure why with the great English spoken down there, y'all know?  ;)


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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2006, 08:26:35 PM »
SEE is very popular in the south though... not sure why with the great English spoken down there, y'all know?  ;)

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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2006, 08:37:43 PM »
.Hey, are you crackin' on my heritage?!  >:( ;D

You know all us grits (girls raised in the south) ain't got no good grammer  ;D
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Re: Baby Sign
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2006, 09:15:33 PM »
You know all us grits (girls raised in the south) ain't got no good grammer  ;D

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