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in-car DAB converter...
« on: January 28, 2006, 09:29:41 PM »
Just wondering what you guys think of this:

http://www.buyincardigital.com/acatalog/Acoustic_Solution_in_Car_DAB_Convertor.html

also here: 

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10001&catalogId=4501&langId=-1&searchTerms=5004159&go.x=15&go.y=17

This just looks so cool...  seems to convert normal FM radio to DAB, and also (according to page 413 of the new (paper) Argos catalogue!) 'accepts line input, such as MP3 or iPod'.

When you look at it, though... i dont see a socket for USB for plugging in an iPod... any idea how this would work?

As always, thanks for your guidance/opinions...


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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2006, 01:14:14 AM »
hiya!

I'm a bit knackered at the moment but I 'think' it seems to work by being a DAB tuner that picks up DAB signals and then 'channels' them to a FM car radio along the normal 88-108 (ish) mhz frequencies.

it doesnt' 'actually convert' FM radios into a dab unit, merely 'focusses' the 'delivery' of DAB signals from one side to analogue recieving equipment to the other...

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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2006, 09:01:31 AM »
Come back to this when you wake up again!  ;)

So, does this sound like a good thing, or a potential bit of rubbish?
And what about the plugging in of the iPod?


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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2006, 11:56:04 AM »
So, does this sound like a good thing, or a potential bit of rubbish?
And what about the plugging in of the iPod?

I don't know anything about the DAB thing. But I have a device (like a cassette) that allows me to plug in my MP3 in the car. I'd be lost without it!
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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2006, 01:02:48 PM »
mine doesnt have a cassette deck... just a CD.
I just bought an ipod nano last week, and was looking at options for playing it in the car, and saw this... so i was wondering about it since it has DAB as well...   ???


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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2006, 04:49:34 PM »
I'm a bit knackered at the moment but I 'think' it seems to work by being a DAB tuner that picks up DAB signals and then 'channels' them to a FM car radio along the normal 88-108 (ish) mhz frequencies.

it doesnt' 'actually convert' FM radios into a dab unit, merely 'focusses' the 'delivery' of DAB signals from one side to analogue recieving equipment to the other...

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You've pretty much got it.   :)

It connects via the existing antenna socket on the radio, so it's acting as a converter.  It's basically just a DAB receiver which then re-modulates the audio onto a normal FM stereo signal to which your existing radio can tune.  You would just tune the car radio to one specific FM frequency, then use this adapter to select your station (in other words the adapter is simulating a normal stereo FM broadcast so that as far as your car radio is concerned, it's receiving just another FM signal).

As for quality, I can't say as I've never seen this unit before.    That would depend entirely upon the quality of the DAB receiver itself in the unit, and of the modulator which is used to convert the audio back into a form which the radio can receive.  The supplied DAB antenna will have a huge effect on reception as well.

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And what about the plugging in of the iPod?

It says it has an auxiliary line input.  You would just connect from the iPod's headphone jack to that and the modulator then works just as it would with DAB, converting your iPod's audio into the same format as a normal FM stereo broadcast signal that the radio can "understand."

If you remember the Sony Walkman boom of 20+ years ago, similar modulators were sold then to allow a tape cassette to be played through a radio which had no cassette player built-in.  It's exactly the same principle.

I have a device (like a cassette) that allows me to plug in my MP3 in the car. I'd be lost without it!

That's another way of getting a signal into the car's system, assuming it has a cassette deck.  The player has a magnetic head which normally picks up the signal from the tape.  Your adapter cassette just generates a magnetic field from the audio you feed into it and couples it up to the player's head.  In other words, you're "fooling" the unit into thinking it's playing a tape by just substituting your own magnetic field for the tape.

Of course, these days, many of the more upmarket car radios (or "In car entertainment systems" as the manufacturers prefer to call them now ;) ) have direct audio inputs on the back intended for trunk-mount CD players and such like.  If you have a car radio with such an auxiliary input, you can just couple audio up to that from an iPod, MP3 player, cassette player etc.
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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2006, 09:16:05 PM »
Someone told me that it's 'illegal' to have something that plays through the FM band of the stereo....  any thoughts on this?

I know fck all about it.


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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2006, 12:03:38 PM »
Someone told me that it's 'illegal' to have something that plays through the FM band of the stereo....  any thoughts on this?

It would only become illegal if you broadcast the signal.  The output from one of these units is very low power, and coupled directly into the radio, so it's perfectly O.K.

If you took the signal, passed it through a booster amplifier and connected it to an antenna to broadcast it all around the neighborhood, then it would be illegal (in both the U.K. and the U.S.).

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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2006, 12:48:28 PM »
If you took the signal, passed it through a booster amplifier and connected it to an antenna to broadcast it all around the neighborhood, then it would be illegal (in both the U.K. and the U.S.).

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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2006, 02:30:54 PM »
There goes Wales' female answer to Wolfman Jack.......  ;)

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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2006, 07:09:11 PM »
It would only become illegal if you broadcast the signal.  The output from one of these units is very low power, and coupled directly into the radio, so it's perfectly O.K.

If you took the signal, passed it through a booster amplifier and connected it to an antenna to broadcast it all around the neighborhood, then it would be illegal (in both the U.K. and the U.S.).


I still believe it is technically illegal.  See this article from 2003 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3115345.stm

The reason for illegality, of course, is to ensure that the spectrum remains interference free.  Of course, such devices were not envisaged at the time that the relevant law was developed so it's possible that it would not be illegal if the law were designed today.  However, though it is often said that the transmission power is way too low to affect any other user, I have heard stories of adjacent cars in traffic or on the motorway experiencing interference.

Nevertheless, nobody's going to chase you.  Similar devices are openly sold in petrol stations and just about anywhere, really.


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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2006, 11:28:11 AM »
There's a subtle difference between the two units.

The converter in otterpop's link has a direct R.F. connection to the existing car radio via its antenna socket.  The iTrip unit in the BBC story has an antenna which is deliberately radiating a signal, and that's what makes it illegal.  The output power of the ITrip will be much higher in order to transmit that signal the required distance.

It's the same sort of principle as with the home video sender units.  The ones which you plug in to your VCR and broadcast a signal via an antenna which can then be received all over the house (and often in neighboring homes too) are transmitters and illegal if they are unlicensed, or do not comply with the strict power limitations, depending upon the country concerned.

When you use a cable to connect the R.F. output from a VCR to the antenna socket of a TV, the signal is still exactly the same format and frequency, but it's at a very much lower level and is not intended to be radiated.   

So a DAB converter which connects directly to the radio is no more illegal than a VCR which provides a TV signal direct to your TV.
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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2006, 09:26:22 PM »
Thanks everyone, for your input.
I dont think i will go for it...  just sounds too good to be true.


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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2006, 12:32:52 PM »
My main concern would be just how well you wouldl actually receive a DAB signal in your car with the supplied receiver and antenna.   

Do you remember when auto manufacturers started using those FM antennas incorporated into the car's windshield?   They worked, but really only in strong-signal areas relatively close to the transmitter.  They were hopelessly inefficient compared to a "normal" antenna for anyone farther out.

I've never tried DAB either fixed or mobile, but it's going to be a similar sort of issue. Effectiveness of these units will be very dependent upon the antenna and the signal strength in your area.
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Re: in-car DAB converter...
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2006, 02:05:05 PM »
Cheers... i appreciate your opinion.  :)


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