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Re: [MERGED]: Exp. dates/Best before & use by dates
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2006, 06:21:24 PM »
growing up, my family always kept the butter in the fridge. My fridge here is too cold... I've even turned it down... and I decided to leave it out... still paranoid that it will make me sick, but it is sooo much easier to spread!


Lakeland sell an insulated metal butter dish which keeps the butter at optimum spreading temperature,  no matter what the temp is in the room.   It's fab... the best thing i have ever bought from Lakeland!


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« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2006, 07:17:28 PM »
Lakeland sell an insulated metal butter dish which keeps the butter at optimum spreading temperature,  no matter what the temp is in the room.   It's fab... the best thing i have ever bought from Lakeland!

I have a ceramic thing from France that does the same thing. You keep the outer part half full of water, and the butter stays the perfect temp on the inside.

The butter in the fridge thing is always weird to me. My family always kept the butter dish out on the counter.
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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2006, 01:28:32 AM »
I have a ceramic thing from France that does the same thing. You keep the outer part half full of water, and the butter stays the perfect temp on the inside.

Is it like this? http://www.thestoreforhealthyliving.com/MERCHANT2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TEWS&Product_Code=BK&Category_Code=EWK

My mom has one of those and I love it. I want one.


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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2006, 01:36:55 AM »
I never really have to worry about things expiring... As soon as its bought,Dale eats it.. I'm lucky if I make it to the kitchen without him stopping me and opening something up...  ::)


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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2006, 01:46:45 AM »
growing up, my family always kept the butter in the fridge. My fridge here is too cold... I've even turned it down... and I decided to leave it out... still paranoid that it will make me sick, but it is sooo much easier to spread!

I bought some Heinz squeeze ketchup recently and when I opened it I noticed it was sooooo watery. Is that so it can squeeze easier? I am not a fan of the squeeze condiments. I popped that in the fridge with hopes it will get firmer.

Uh, sweetie, just shake it up. The heavier ingredients settle and you get a watery fluid on top. Just shake it up and it's fine. I think it may even say, somewhere on the bottle, shake before using.  ;) And, I never refrigerate ketchup. Detest cold ketchup. The stuff never goes bad, either, I don't care what the label says!

I generally don't look at expiration dates. If it doesn't smell or look nasty, I'll eat it. Never had food poisoning, either knock wood. I am fairly careful about dates on things like poultry, seafood, and milk, though. Don't want to push my luck too far...
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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2006, 10:33:43 AM »
 ;) yes, I did shake it, just like French's mustard.  ;) it is one of those squeeze bottles with a "stay clean" cap and the teeniest hole squeezes ketchup out. I like cold ketchup so I am not too bothered but it still runny.  :-\\\\


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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2006, 11:00:43 AM »
I've recently become more paranoid since shopping here and in America. Before I left, I ate some salsa, I didn't know how long it had been in my fridge, but i wanted mexican food. Well, I got violently ill, I mean really bad for over 24hours. Thought i was going to die, lost a good couple of pounds. I determined that was what made me ill. I no longer keep salsa for more than a week. That really taught me a lesson. I have also eaten a good few meals with seafood that was "within date" and I STILL got ill afterwards!!! One still had like 3 days left and i got ill! I bought it cooked and cooked it again to be sure, well, I was still unlucky. Needless to say, I am more careful about seafood (don't buy it anymore really) and meat. I now freeze meat just in case I might not use it and that way I dont' have to throw food away anymore.

I may start buying food more straight from the butcher and farmers market b/c I am not impressed at all with grocery stores here, I've been to all but waitrose and am still not too impressed with the overall quality of meat/veg.
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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2006, 11:06:22 AM »
I bought it cooked and cooked it again to be sure, well, I was still unlucky.

There's where you went wrong I'm afraid.  Things really shouldn't be cooked twice, and if they are you have to be extremely careful that you are cooking it really thouroughly.  Also, don't freeze anything if it's already been frozen and thawed.  And let things cool down before putting them in the fridge next to cold food. 


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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2006, 11:10:13 AM »
cooked mussels? I wanted to heat them up for my pasta - that's why I cooked them - in their own juice in the frying pan for a few min.
before that it was uncooked shrimp that I cooked thoroughly (ended up a bit overcooked) and still got sick. i think seafood here is just hard to find good quality (in Leeds)

I agree that you don't freeze and re-freeze food, I know that one.

I rarely eat leftovers (try to cook what I will eat), so that's never a source of illness for me.
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2006, 11:38:39 AM »
Is it like this? http://www.thestoreforhealthyliving.com/MERCHANT2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TEWS&Product_Code=BK&Category_Code=EWK

My mom has one of those and I love it. I want one.

Yes! That's exactly what it is! They're wonderful!! Mine's sort of cream coloured with a same-colour raised design on it, and it says "Beurre" -- made to look all fake old-time Frenchie! ;)
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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2006, 12:41:44 PM »
is this necessary?

 
The Open Jar Symbol Explained (taken from:  http://www.cosmeticscop.com/bulletin/012606-full.htm#8)

Some of you may have noticed a new symbol that is appearing on skin-care and makeup products. It is an open jar with a number followed by the letter "M," which refers to the Latin word "menses," which is "month" in English. The symbol is referred to as Period After Opening (PAO), and is a new system devised by the European Union's cosmetics regulatory branch. The symbol is not required for cosmetic products sold in the United States or Canada, but if a cosmetics company wishes to sell its products in countries belonging to the 25 member nations of the European Union, it is, with only a few exceptions (explained below), a mandatory labeling requirement. The purpose of this symbol is to give consumers an idea of how long the product can be safely used (or used "without causing harm") after it is opened.

Your first question (mine too) may be, How is this time period determined? Therein lies a tale about the convoluted nature of this piece of cosmetics legislation. All reputable cosmetics companies (mine included) put their products through a standard battery of stability tests before they put them on the market. These tests include exposing the product to cycles of temperature extremes, testing the effectiveness of the chosen preservative system over time, testing the product in its chosen packaging, and patch-testing it on human volunteers to ascertain irritancy or to reveal unforeseen complications. However, there is actually no official methodology for such tests. The EU has not established a system for cosmetics companies to determine a PAO date. As a result, the PAO date doesn't take into account how the consumer uses the product or how it is stored.

Ironically, those two factors are critical to prolonging or reducing a product's integrity and inherent stability. For example, let's say two women purchase the same moisturizer. It is packaged in a jar. One woman lives in a humid climate, stores her moisturizer on her bathroom counter in direct light, doesn't wash her hands before using the product, and rarely puts the cap back securely on the jar. The other woman lives in a temperate climate (or has air conditioning), stores the moisturizer in a dark cupboard or drawer, always washes her hands before applying the product, and always tightly secures the cap after each use. Given these two examples of product usage, it is understandable how one would last longer than the other. The PAO date does not take into consideration how (or how often) the product is used. As shown in the example above, consumer habits vary so dramatically that establishing a specific date after which a cosmetic product may become harmful is, at best, an educated guess, and at worst, a useless endeavor. More to the point, as consumers, how many of us document (or even remember) the date we began using a cosmetic product?

Regardless of stability, a product is exempt* from carrying a PAO date if it meets the following criteria:
Any product packaged so there is no contact between the contained product and the external environment (e.g., sealed, pressurized products like aerosol hairspray)


Single-use products, such as capsules


A product incapable of causing risk or harm to the consumer
*This is the opinion of the European Union Commission; only the Courts can determine (case by case) if it is true.

After learning this, I was left wondering why the EU would authorize the PAO system. In real-world terms, it is of little use because the dates over which a product is supposedly safe to use cannot be definitively determined via scientific methods. A cosmetics company's record of stability testing is a reasonable safety measure to fall back on, but that type of controlled testing does not correlate with the different ways thousands of consumers may use a particular product. It seems the PAO program was a political compromise to get the European Union Cosmetic Directive Seventh Amendment passed. The question left unanswered is one often posed to me by my readers: Just how long after a skin-care or makeup product is opened does it remain safe and effective? Despite this, the PAO labeling system can serve as a helpful reminder of when to use or dispose of your personal-care products, assuming you keep track of when you begin using each product and take care to store it in ideal conditions. I doubt most consumers will be that vigilant, but for those who take the time to be vigilant, a product's PAO date is a decent (though imperfect) guideline.


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« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2006, 10:19:20 AM »
I'm pretty sure I need one of these butter dishes.

But I can't decide which one.... I like the look of the ceramic one more, but I think I'd probably rather not have to use water. Hmmmm.


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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2006, 11:31:25 AM »
I got in on this a bit late but my DH is sooooooooo pedantic about expirey dates on food.......AND even more so about cutting trimming meat...........

I LOVE crispy chicken skin....he throws it away......




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Re: [MERGED]: Exp. dates/Best before & use by dates
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2006, 07:45:48 PM »
Whenever I try to buy things like bread, rolls, salads, sandwiches etc. they always have "best before" or either "use by" dates that are either the same day or the next day, or if I'm lucky, two days away. It's very annoying because
1) There are only two people in my home, and we can't eat a loaf of bread in two days
2) I work 9 to 10 hours a day, and I can't be ars*d to go shopping every day after work just to keep fresh food in the house.

I always thought that the problem was bad timing;  that I was getting to the shops just before they made their deliveries.

However, today I was shopping and a woman was putting out bread that had just come in off a truck.  The "best before" date on all of the bread was - tomorrow!

Unless the food isn't already old in the first place, if it's properly stored, how can it go bad in one day?


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