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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2006, 04:10:24 PM »
can they not at least put a line in to keep the patient hydrated whilst they are waiting?  cuz that to me seems VERY dumb.  then you have a dehydrated patient to operate on.  i mean, they'll need a line anyway for hte operation.

they put the the needle in for me to have a drip when i had an epidural during childbirth.  then didn't put a bag on.

do they do this to kids?  cuz i'd go spare if that were my child waiting there.

so they had a patient who ended up losing loads of blood in a forceps delivery and had had nothing to drink in about 20 hours. 

i felt like a truck hit me.

idiots.


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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2006, 04:16:44 PM »
Sorry to hear about this Suzanne.. Hope you are feeling better..
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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2006, 04:47:37 PM »
can they not at least put a line in to keep the patient hydrated whilst they are waiting?  cuz that to me seems VERY dumb.  then you have a dehydrated patient to operate on.  i mean, they'll need a line anyway for hte operation.

they put the the needle in for me to have a drip when i had an epidural during childbirth.  then didn't put a bag on.

do they do this to kids?  cuz i'd go spare if that were my child waiting there.

so they had a patient who ended up losing loads of blood in a forceps delivery and had had nothing to drink in about 20 hours. 

i felt like a truck hit me.

idiots.

They are not going to put a drip up on someone healthy waiting for day surgery.  There is really no need.  If the patient is diabetic and needs glucose and is nil by mouth, or very unwell, or came in with serious dehyration then yes they could have a drip.  But if someone is having day surgery they are pretty healthy. 

Yes, they are all idiots though. 

My 18 month old daughter had ear surgery under GA and was nil by mouth from midnight the night before until she went for her op at lunchtime.  Sucked.


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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2006, 05:37:59 PM »
This poor man sat there from 0800 to 1700 with nothing to eat or drink and then he was cancelled. He was livid and so was I.  I spent a lot of time on the phone with the staff down in theatre to find out when the hell they were going to take him as he was first on the list, but they couldn't say.  I left there and went back to medical nursing not long after.

At least you had the decency to be upset about it - just some empathy for someone who got screwed over - which Suzanne did not even get!  I mean sometimes things happen that are just beyond anyone's control and it all really sucks but that's life, but at least have the decency to tell people what's going on and that you're sorry about it!!


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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2006, 05:51:05 PM »
that's the worst thing about scenarios like these: the nurses like NicolePA2UK that run around trying to organise thing as adequately are possible with the resources (the ones that give a damn)  are the same nurse s that leave wards or the profession all together. I praise your nursing skills really, it's not easy!
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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2006, 06:45:13 PM »
They are not going to put a drip up on someone healthy waiting for day surgery.  There is really no need.  If the patient is diabetic and needs glucose and is nil by mouth, or very unwell, or came in with serious dehyration then yes they could have a drip.  But if someone is having day surgery they are pretty healthy. 

Yes, they are all idiots though. 

My 18 month old daughter had ear surgery under GA and was nil by mouth from midnight the night before until she went for her op at lunchtime.  Sucked.

I have no experience of day surgery outside the US, but I had 4 of them there and every time, they put a drip and fluids in first thing, before I went into the theatre. 

W/children, that's an awful scenario.  Kids do dehydrate faster.  Poor souls.


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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2006, 06:47:50 PM »
It's not contraindicated but here they won't do stuff that they consider unnecessary.  I see what you are saying, it is cruel to leave people so long without hydration.  Oh how I hated surgical nursing.


Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2006, 06:55:22 PM »
It's not contraindicated but here they won't do stuff that they consider unnecessary.  I see what you are saying, it is cruel to leave people so long without hydration.  Oh how I hated surgical nursing.

It seems a bit short-sighted, too, b/c you want the person to be in as optimal a condition as you can get them before surgery. 


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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2006, 07:08:03 PM »
children do get dripped if necessary as well as get priority in the waiting list ..I wish I can say that's a rule with every case though but most.
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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2006, 09:42:28 PM »
what a champ you are for having surgery on your arm and typing that long post!!  i would have been moaning about the pain when i got home if that was me!!  you're really a dedicated UKY'er!!   ;)


Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2006, 10:51:35 PM »
It seems a bit short-sighted, too, b/c you want the person to be in as optimal a condition as you can get them before surgery. 

Yes I agree...it seems like hydration is a "medical lesson in a 101" course.  Sorry to say but this kind of stuff truly scares the hell out of me about hospitals and medical care here. 


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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2006, 11:33:07 PM »
What is the reason for no water? Is it up to the hospital or is there a medical reason? It's just that I was allowed water, nil food or juice, both in Ninewells and ERI.

Hope you're feeling better Suzanne.

Then the theatre staff decides to mess with the list order and not tell the ward nurse. So instead of coming for patient number one first, they come for patient number 4 first. This throws things into a complete mess. Instead of following the list in order, they suddenly decide to go completely out of order for their own reasons. They rarely communicate to the ward staff why they are doing this and what the new plan is. Sucks. Typical NHS snafu communication.

I wasn't aware of this divide between ward and theatre staff until now. I'll bear that in mind if I am ever in that postion again. Having this unnecessary stress added to ward nurses is really diabolical.


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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2006, 11:56:16 PM »
I remember when I was pregnant my midwife urged me to go to the hospital maternity ward because her heartbeat was a lil slow that day & I had some protein in my urine. So,I get there...sat & sat & sat...2 hours later I was seen by a nurse,she did a couple tests...sat me back in the waiting room to sit & sit & sit...another 3 hours later I was finally seen by a doctor who just confirmed everything was fine and the protein was normal and her heartbeat was slow that day because she just woke up... I was happy to know that..but you'd think they could've told me before 5 hours of waiting...


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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2006, 12:23:02 AM »
they probably couldn't tell you that until they received the lab results then relay that info to the registrar that was attending to you who was probably running around tending to other people in resus. who knows.

I remember  whilst attending to a patient in A&E :

child had to wait for blood results so we sent them urgently to lab. All we had to do is OK the blood results that's all they were sent straight away. Phone lab they hadn't received them yet and they would telephone when they were on the system. Explained it to parents and waited. Saw other patients (triage them at least) Called again for lab results , hours later they are on the system . Still kept communicating with the family on their progress.  Great now where's the doctor? he's gone to the ward. Page him . wait for response? page him again. Fair enough he's with other patients but really he needs to see this patient before an  incident form is filed because we've going to go over the 4 hour waiting period , so get your butt down now.

Meanwhile the patient and parents are not aware of all this going on and just thinking "God , why am I waiting so long?"

I do agree that I've seen to many incidences where the was inadequate multi disciplinary teams so you are literally waiting for one in thing order for other things roll along. I am so tired sometimes of actually pinning bloody registrars down because they run off the ward as quickly as they get in  :P Consultants are even worse.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2006, 12:36:12 AM by Alicia »
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Re: A Ridiculous Waiting Time
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2006, 10:00:33 AM »
LMFAO girl I hear you Alicia,  from reading your posts I saw that you are relatively new to the profession.  You have hit the tip of the iceberg.  The majority of your job is going to involved wading through the BS and pulling all the strings to get the patient what they need.   That is why we have nurses.  Doctors diagnose an illness, and prescribe a course of treatment and walk off the ward.  The nurse implements, moniters, and pulls it all together by fighting the system and making the impossible happen.   Loads of responsibilty and absolutely no control.

Your post reminded me of what happens on my ward when patients are discharged.

0900.  Consultant comes on the ward for rounds and tells the patients he is all good and can be discharged.  Then consultant walks away and is out of the picture.

A nurse cannot let a patient go until a doctor writes up a discharge letter, and prescribes his TTO's.  I would get fired if I let him go before this.   TTO's are the months supply of drugs patient goes home with.  The doctor must write this up.  The nurse has to get this write up to the pharmacy and get it dispensed.

Consultant walks off the ward.  It is the junior doctors job to write discharge letter and TTO's.  Consultant will NOT release the junior doctor from rounds until 4 PM to write the discharge letter and TTO's.  Pharmacy closes at 5PM.  Consultant doesn't tell patient this.  He says "you can go home", and he walks off the ward.

1000 AM  Patient is dressed and ready to go and is pissed at me because I have told him he has got to hang on for his discharge paperwork and drugs. 

I bleep the junior doctor and tell him that the patient wants to go NOW.  Junior Doctor tells me to "F*ck off" because he is on rounds, says he will get there at 5 PM.  I tell him that the pharmacy will close at 5PM.  He tells me to "f*ck off" because he has sick people to see and hangs up. 

4PM.  I bleep the junior doctor again, to remind him to get his ars* down to the ward and do patients discharge paperwork so I can get it to the pharmacy before they close.  Meanwhile patient has been following me around all day, asking when he can go, and is calling me some nice names.

4:50 PM Junior doctor shows up to write discharge orders.  Curses me out for being a pain in the ars*.  But if we nurses don't keep on them they don't come in time for the pharmacy closing, sometimes they may forget all together.  They have multiple patients on multiple wards.

4:52.  I get to pharmacy, out of breath from running.  They give me hell for "waiting until they are about to close" to get them the discharge orders.  They want to refuse to do it until the next day.   I beg.

5:05.  I give patient his meds and discharge paperwork, and discharge him.  He spends 20 minutes telling me how worthless I am for making him sit there and wait since 0900 AM.  He said "The consultant had the courtesy to be there at 0900 and me I could go and I sat here all day because the nurses cannot get their act together."

This is all happening while I am trying to pull it all together for 20 other sick people, wading for similiar kinds of BS to get them the things they need. 

But I have left nursing for good so I won't have to do this for 15 hours a day anymore!!  Yippeeeeeeee
« Last Edit: April 27, 2006, 10:03:52 AM by NicolePA2UK »


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