Rooney Poll

If Rooney was kicked off for stomping on another player, the ref would have shown him the card right away.   Because he wasn't even reaching for his card until Ronney pushed Ronaldo, then we would have to assume that it was for the push.  what makes me absolutely furious about this, is why the heck wasn't Figo shown a red in the game against Holland after his head butt.  Apparently, his booking wasn't even for the head butt, but for another offence.  And the FA has chosen not to suspend him, or even address his apalling behaviour.   The stomp happened in the midst of a squirmish and funny, as soon as Rooney was booked, Carvalho got up.  He was writhing in pain prior. 

Though Rooney has shown extemely immature behaviour, I don't think it was a red card offense, yellow definitely, but not red.  And C. Ronaldo, has lost all my respect.  I no longer like him at all.

So much to say....

Rooney is a little thug, but an immensley talented individual.  He needs anger management, he needs to work under a captain and a manager who can control him, and unless this happens at club level he will never change.  If he does change, he should be kept in.  For what it is worth, Ian Wright used to have a terrible temper, and look at him now..people can change.

Ronaldo is a cheating git who goaded Rooney, knowing exactly what would happen.  I imagine Utd will now flog him to Real Madrid, and everyone will be happy with this. He should have been booked for runnng up to the ref, but it doesn't matter that much now.

Re: penalties.  Keepers are not expected to save them, so there is little or no pressure on them.  Lamps penalty kick was useless, but the others were good saves, and the keeper did very well.  No blame should be put onto Paul Robinson, who had an excellent game.

And please, goalKEEPER, not goalTENDER!!!   

Vicky

Re: penalties. Keepers are not expected to save them, so there is little or no pressure on them. Lamps penalty kick was useless, but the others were good saves, and the keeper did very well. No blame should be put onto Paul Robinson, who had an excellent game.

I am glad you guys explained this to me. I still think he could have done better, but I understand the thinking now at least.

And please, goalKEEPER, not goalTENDER!!!

Vicky

Now, see, I thought it was keeper but double-thought and decided thats only because that's the way I was used to hearing it, meaning US usage!

Rooney is a little thug, but an immensley talented individual.  He needs anger management, he needs to work under a captain and a manager who can control him, and unless this happens at club level he will never change.

I agree with this.  Remember not so long ago Moyes wanted to do nothing but protect Rooney (mostly from the media).  And can't remember much from Fergie regarding his little outbursts either.  And now Sven pleads to take it easy on the England's golden boy?  England's future?  Exactly what kind of future Rooney will have if he is wound up so easily?  You can bet that future opposition will be queuing up to to test his temper and if he doesn't get a handle on it, then I see more red in his future.

He doesn't need to be protected from the criticisms of the media and fans (read *the consequences of his behaviour*).  He needs to understand that he let far more people down than just himself.  A good few months of rollicking by the press and fans will not hurt the boy.  How else is going to learn?

It could all have been so different if Rooney had stayed at Everton.  I am afraid that once he went to a club where his main influences were Ferguson and Keane there was no hope for him.

Vicky

It could all have been so different if Rooney had stayed at Everton.  I am afraid that once he went to a club where his main influences were Ferguson and Keane there was no hope for him.

Vicky

Hehehehe interesting point it could of been different very true we will never know it could of been better or worse.  Ferguson actually has a very decent record at turning round bad boys not completely obviously that will neve happen to the players that rely on passion as much as heart.  Cantona's record before heading to man united was awfull at man united it was just above average (except for one stupid day at west ham).  Keane calmed down a lot after going to man united and though passionate on the pitch shuns the spotlight off it and gets on with family life.  I hope Rooneys record improves but I also hope he never loses that passion that the fans identify with and love.

I would be interested to see if the people here who are suggesting he shouldn't play in the next world cup (but apparently is fine for the european championship ) would be as quick to judge him and suggest he should be written about nastily by the press and have hatefull things screamed at him by so called football fans if he was a member of their family.  He is a 20 year old that at the very worst made a mistake and at best accidently trod on a player and then lightly pushed a fellow proffesional.  Did he Head butt a player like figo did he deliberately elbow a guy in the face like a certain Italian no.  Does he spend his time at weekends breaking into peoples houses and mugging old ladies? some of these things I can understand the papers lambasting a person and people screaming at someone while they are at work but football mistakes?

Not sure if anyone remembers when Beckham was being lambasted by the papers for a world cup exit they blamed on him where his picture was printed with a gun sight on his forehead with the words the most hated man in Britain.  Then at football grounds people were screaming obscenities about his wife and family all for the sake of sport.  Imagine all the times that any of us have been in work or maybe looking after children and just for a split second lost our temper screamed out smashed a cup maybe even pushed an employee who was in our face or spanked their child or screamed at them.  That is the equivalent of what Rooney did will he pay for his crime? yes I am sure he will be fined and banned from a couple of international games.  Does he deserve to be hated for what he did or for who he is? from what I have seen no and I really can't find it in my heart to hate anyone I have never met and even then it would be tough, but that might just be me.

I guess I should state that I hate his actions and not him as a person.  I'm sure in life he has his good qualities.  But on the pitch I think he is over rated and has a lot of growing up to do to impress me.  But, you get that with pretty much every young talent that comes up in all sports all over the world.  Kids who think they are bigger than the game and teams and coaches who fall all over themselves to show them that they are, instead of beating them down and building them back up into a true champion.

and in regards to the european championship.....well, for one thing, I myself have only lived in England for 1 year and am moving back to the US in 4 weeks, so to be honest, I don't know much about a european championship.  Being raised in the US and playing soccer all my life, all I have ever followed is the World Cup.  This is my first taste of international soccer. 

At this point I don't really care anymore.  I don't even know why I got so fired up about it in the first place, it's not like Rooney was representing my country.  In 4 weeks i'll be home and happy and i'll forget about European soccer for 4 more years.

ps......got from a website talking about possible coaches to replace the US coach Bruce Arena.  Erickson's name came up.

Sven Goran Eriksson -- Laugh if you will at the notion, but the fact of the matter is that Sven Goran Eriksson will be out of a job after the World Cup and he has a resume of success. While the USSF would have to shell out some major money to lure him stateside, Sven had shown a respect for the United States leading up to the friendly in 2005. Now, entering the twilight of his coaching career and having left the most stressful job in professional sports as England's head man, Sven might be ready to maintain the competitive edge in the far less taxing role as the United States' coach. Perhaps overrated as a coach, Sven does churn out results. The ability to live and work stateside with his girlfriend might be enticing enough for the man who led England to a respected level in the last two World Cups.

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You think Rooney is overrated as a player and that Sven makes a good international coach???

Hmmm.


Vicky

where did i say that Sven was a good international coach?

I also heard that the US is considering the German coach..

where did i say that Sven was a good international coach?

Sorry, you did say he was overrated, I missed that bit.  But if I were American I really would balk at the notion of having him as your coach.  He hasn't actually done great things with England, we have been poor this tournament, we scraped through the qualifyers after humiliating perfomances against Wales and Northern Ireland, and he has a fixation with certain players which means they would never be dropped, no matter how badly they performed.  His decision to keep playing Beckham and to only take 4 strikers, and then to ony play one up front, cost us this tournament, and I think he is too arrogant to see when he is going wrong.

Vicky

i see, there is a little confusion.  I didn't say any of that about Sven, that was just a little article i found saying that the US may be interested in him. 

Yes, the US also wants to make a play for the German coach as well.  I feel as if the US needs to bring in an international coach.  It is obvious when we play a European team that we don't play the same style, if we want to compete with them we are going to need to understand how that syle of play. 

another guy mentioned was the assistant at Man U.  apparently he's a real good X's and O's kind of guy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28749-2254786,00.html

From the horse's mouth.

that's the most down to earth referee I've ever heard speak.  Glad to see he wasn't intimidated by anyone. 

... the country's most hated man...

I think that title may belong to C. Ronaldo for awhile.  Especially after the papers printed the photo with the  .