Human resources dept not up to date? or am I wrong?

  I just received my disclosure application.  I have a couple of questions:

1. I am assuming your job does not apply for your work permit until the disclosure comes back?
2. You have to leave uk and go home before HR applies for your work permit?
3.  YOu cant apply for FLR until you get the work permit?

This is what I thought the process was but the woman in HR said this:

They apply for the work permit and then once approved I go to croydon and apply for flr.
I said don't I have to go home first don't I?  And she said no..

what the hell isn't she of all people supposed to be up to date on the most current information on this?

When I asked the HR lady about the listing of shortage occupations in nursing being removed from the home office list.. she said we haven't had any problems.. what the hell..

confused..

Generally, HR people don't have a clue, unless they deal with A LOT of immigrant workers.  I would be talking to the advisors here, or the home office.  Take it into your own hands as ultimately, if you leave it to someone else, and they screw up, then the only person it affects is you.

Grrr!  Big long post just didn't post!

 

You are absolutely right.  It isn't possible to switch from a visit visa to a work permit - it may be that she is more used to dealing with working holidaymakers than visitors. 

As for the shortage thing...what level will you be working at?  What is your speciality?  The changes may not apply to you.

Vicky

Having to take a lower level because of it being a new area for me.
I have 4 1/2 years in er but will be going into itu as a grade d.

Not sure about the band thing how do i figure out what I am?

I've just checked the RCN website.  Band 7 and 8 are the only bands which are shortage now, and band 7 is ward manager or sister, which is currently grade G.

ITU is not on the specialist list, so there is no doubt that you are not going to get a work permit unless HR can prove that they have tried to recruit from the EEA and have failed to do so. 

Your HR are obviously not clued up.  If you think they may benefit from profesisonal assistance, please give them my contact details.

Vicky

A D grade is the same as band 5 under Agenda for Change.

Tell me if I am wrong if you are here on a spouse visa are you treated just like someone who is from uk?  I was told taht if I was here on a spouse visa I could start working immediately and that you get treated as someone who is from here?

Also the lady in hr here said that she had not had any problems getting work permits?
Getting so frustrated..

I am really starting to hate this place.. to much bullsh*t

How do they prove they have failed to get anyone from an eea area?

I've just checked the RCN website.  Band 7 and 8 are the only bands which are shortage now, and band 7 is ward manager or sister, which is currently grade G.

ITU is not on the specialist list, so there is no doubt that you are not going to get a work permit unless HR can prove that they have tried to recruit from the EEA and have failed to do so. 

Your HR are obviously not clued up.  If you think they may benefit from profesisonal assistance, please give them my contact details.

Vicky

If you are here on a spousal visa then you don't need a work permit.  Is that correct Vicky?  And if no work permit, then they don't have to see if your position has no possibility of being filled by an EEA.

Tell me if I am wrong if you are here on a spouse visa are you treated just like someone who is from uk?  I was told taht if I was here on a spouse visa I could start working immediately and that you get treated as someone who is from here?

Are you saying you are here on an FRL-M?  Then you don't need a work permit.

You don't get treated quite like someone who is from here though, when it comes to civil service jobs.  There was a long thread on it over in the Working in the UK forum a while back.  I think there are some other subtle differences as well.

No I am not married yet was just wondering if moving it up would make it easier?

Well, no, because you are here as a visitor, and you can't switch from a visitor to a spousal visa either.  Sorry to be blunt, but from everything you have said in all your posts, you have no choice but to go home.

Of course the HR lady has had no problem getting work permits..they only changed the rules on Monday!!!

They prove they haven't got anyone from the EEA though advertising the post for four weeks.


Vicky

I know I have to go home no matter what but it seems to be easier and quicker to get a spouse visa than a work permit.. way less headache..... maybe we should just go ahead and get married while we are in US then I can apply for spouse vias which seems to be fairly quick if you compare to work permits and flr.

I was told if you are here on a spouse visa you are eligible for a job as soon as you land and that you are treated like someone who is born in uk.

You will have no problem with immigration issues once married and in the UK on a spousal visa...the problem is that, under new NHS guidelines, trusts are only supposed to offer jobs to non-EEA national nurses below grade 7 if they cannot get an EEA nurse for the post. 

Victoria