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So do people really care.......
« on: July 10, 2006, 09:30:20 AM »
that Italy won the world cup?  It seems that once England lost to Portugal the country just went back about its business.  All I heard for a month was how soccer was the worlds sport and how people in America don't understand the beauty of the game and blah blah blah.  But then, as soon as england got bounced, the traffic about england and football in general seemed to die down.  Could it be that we are really all alike when it comes to sports?  that as soon as our team is out of the competition we lose interest?  can anyone shed some light on this for me?

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Re: So do people really care.......
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2006, 09:54:08 AM »
I've seen stats that suggest that the WC final was watched by over two billion people world wide.  The combined populations of Italy and France don't come near that number.  So it would be safe to say that more than just the people of Italy and France cared about/watched the World Cup final.

It's to be expected that some of the excitement in this country would die off once England was knocked out.  I've meet some people that don't follow football but for international competitions such as the WC or European Championship.  It's a bit like the people back home that don't give a hoot about American football until the Super Bowl comes rolling around and then afterwards they go back to ignoring the sport.
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Re: So do people really care.......
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2006, 10:13:53 AM »
that Italy won the world cup?  It seems that once England lost to Portugal the country just went back about its business.  All I heard for a month was how soccer was the worlds sport and how people in America don't understand the beauty of the game and blah blah blah.  But then, as soon as england got bounced, the traffic about england and football in general seemed to die down.  Could it be that we are really all alike when it comes to sports?  that as soon as our team is out of the competition we lose interest?  can anyone shed some light on this for me?

Not quite sure what you expect out of people we would look darn silly running round saying "come on England" when we have been Knocked out.  So obviously a lot of the open world cup fever dies down, but I'm sure if you could watch most living rooms in UK last night you would of seen most tuned to the Final, and what an exciting final it was.  I'm just glad that Zidane decided to retire from the international scene before the world cup, because it stops posts like "After last nights on pitch antics by Zidane should he not be allowed to play for france in the next world cup" (tongue firmly in cheek and smile on face).  As for the rest of it check bbc and itv's combined viewing figures for last night should show the interest.


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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2006, 10:25:51 AM »
From what I read in the news and talking to friends back home, many people from the states watched the games, regardless of who ended up in the final.  Heck, I dont even care about football and I watched the last half yesterday! ;)


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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2006, 10:30:08 AM »
i watched the game as well, and i know they said at kickoff that over 2 billion people would be watching.  I guess what i'm on about is the country lost its swagger after the knockout.  I didn't feel as if the pot-shots at the US came as easily once england was defeated.

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2006, 10:39:44 AM »
i watched the game as well, and i know they said at kickoff that over 2 billion people would be watching.  I guess what i'm on about is the country lost its swagger after the knockout.  I didn't feel as if the pot-shots at the US came as easily once england was defeated.

Of course it lost its swagger what was there to swagger about and what pot shots at the US? please explain


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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2006, 10:45:58 AM »
If you are going to follow international football in England, you'll have to have tougher skin.  Since being here, I've seen pot-shots at the Germans, French, Argentinians, Scots, Welsh, etc, ad nauseam.  It's nationalistic, it's tribal, and part and parcel of the English international scene.

I have no idea if it's part of the international scene in other countries (though I've seen the Scots throw a few good shots at the English) because I've never resided there, but somehow I suspect it does happen.
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2006, 10:51:00 AM »
nothing that has never been said before.  and i'm not drawing on anyone on the board.  just the usual stereotypes of americans and soccer that always come up when the world cup is happening.  stuff like all we care about is american football and we don't understand the game, and we don't embrace the "worlds" game so there is something wrong with us, and we stole american football from rugby, and stole baseball from cricket.  just that sort of stuff that always comes up when an american tries to have a discussion about soccer.  

best line i've heard since i've been here.  "what do you know about the world cup?  i though all you people did was eat fried chicken and watch sissys in pads run around a field and call it football."  LOL, brilliant

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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2006, 10:54:00 AM »
If you are going to follow international football in England, you'll have to have tougher skin.  Since being here, I've seen pot-shots at the Germans, French, Argentinians, Scots, Welsh, etc, ad nauseam.  It's nationalistic, it's tribal, and part and parcel of the English international scene.

I have no idea if it's part of the international scene in other countries (though I've seen the Scots throw a few good shots at the English) because I've never resided there, but somehow I suspect it does happen.

you have to have a tough skin to follow international football in the USA.  i think england can trump anything the scotts have to say with a simple, "at least we have won a world cup."  i don't think the US has that ability ;)

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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2006, 12:36:25 PM »
nothing that has never been said before.  and i'm not drawing on anyone on the board.  just the usual stereotypes of americans and soccer that always come up when the world cup is happening.  stuff like all we care about is american football and we don't understand the game, and we don't embrace the "worlds" game so there is something wrong with us, and we stole american football from rugby, and stole baseball from cricket.  just that sort of stuff that always comes up when an american tries to have a discussion about soccer.  

best line i've heard since i've been here.  "what do you know about the world cup?  i though all you people did was eat fried chicken and watch sissys in pads run around a field and call it football."  LOL, brilliant

Well I think you can pretty much run the origins of American football, Rugby, and ozzy rules football to a very early "mob football" played in villages around Europe, (mainly England) so you hardly stole it, its just your own version of a game that has evolved within your culture over years.  Baseball though this is disputed seems to be an English invention and even gets a mention in a Jane Austin novel.  Just arm yourself with facts and ignore the "piss taking" or mention Tennis athletics or any number of sports we lack behind in.

For years my one bug bear with American sport was the "World series" of Baseball and how arrogant it was that Americans had a competition suggesting they were world champions when no other country was allowed in it.  I had years of delight bringing it up in chat rooms and to Americans I have met :o).  Of course the day I found out that it was due to the sponsorship of "The New York World" newspaper I then spent ages apolagising to everyone.  Then not long after that I found out the "New York World" story was an urban myth :).  So now whenever anyone mentions baseball I say "Have you seen field of dreams?" lifes been more fun since then.


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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2006, 12:55:41 PM »
here's a little more info on the "world series" for any of those that care.  Your right zaphod, i don't know why they call it that, but i guess after a hundred years there is no point in trying to change the name.



The "World" appellation has stuck despite the fact that only teams in the two major leagues, which happen to cover only the United States and Canada, actually participate. At the time the term was first used, baseball at the major league level was only played in the United States. While some would contend that there is no reason to believe that the World Series winner is a significantly better team than any club team outside Major League Baseball, no challenges have been made by other leagues. Moreover, virtually all of the best international players — from the Pacific Rim, Latin America, the Caribbean, and elsewhere — play on Major League rosters, with the notable exception of Cuban nationals.

The World Series winners have occasionally played winter exhibition series against the best players of other leagues around the world, such as Japan. Sometimes the Japanese have gained the upper hand in those series; but since they are only exhibitions, their results cannot be regarded as conclusive. Attempts to pit the North American champions against champions in the Japanese or Latin American leagues in a truly meaningful way have, so far, not succeeded.

A persistent myth is that the "World" in "World Series" came about because the New York World newspaper sponsored it. Baseball researcher Doug Pappas refutes that claim, demonstrating a linear progression from the phrase "World's Championship Series" (used to describe the 1903 series as well as some of the 19th-century postseason series) to "World's Series" (a term first used in the 1880s and which persisted for decades) to "World Series". Furthermore, investigation of the New York World for the relevant years revealed no evidence of the supposed sponsorship. (For details, see Mr. Pappas' web page on the subject.)

In deference to any controversy, more and more the term "World Series Championship" is being used, the subtlety being that it is merely a title and not a political statement.

Baseball tournaments between international teams do occur, notably at the world championships and at the Olympic Games. The United States sends a team of minor league players to the Summer Olympics, as it takes place during the regular Major League season. At the 2004 Summer Olympics the United States was not represented at all, since its team of minor league players did not survive the qualifying rounds. The International Baseball Federation (IBAF) has lobbied MLB to suspend play during the Summer Olympics, so that MLB players could compete for their respective national teams, and has agreed to shorten the Olympic tournament if MLB agrees to freeing its players. According to the IBAF chairman, such a move would do more for popularizing baseball around the world than any amount of money spent by the MLB for its current worldwide marketing.

Recently, Major League Baseball conducted the inaugural World Baseball Classic. In light of the International Olympic Committee recently voting baseball out of the Summer Games as a medal sport, the results of this competition hope to prove to the IOC that baseball is truly an international game. 16 countries competed in the classic, including baseball hotbeds Japan, United States, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Cuba, the Dominican Republic and Korea, along with China, Chinese Taipei, the Netherlands, Canada, Australia, Italy, Mexico, South Africa and Panama. In the Final, Japan defeated Cuba, 10-6. The United States, favored by most to at least make the last stages of the tournament, were eliminated in the second round. The WBC is planned to be held again in 2009, and every four years after.

The term World Series has since been appropriated by other championships, such as the College World Series, the Little League World Series, the World Series of Golf, the World Series of Poker, the World Series of Birding and the World Series of Martial Arts. World Series Cricket was a short-lived but influential cricket competition.


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Re: So do people really care.......
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2006, 01:24:05 PM »
i care

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Re: So do people really care.......
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2006, 01:28:52 PM »
Once again, I have to say that the English do not dislike the US when it comes to football, and comments like the ones you keep talking about are, in all probability, made in jest.  You need to get thicker skin and understand our humour.

As for English 'swagger', most people who know about football didn't have 'swagger', as we knew we were unlikely to win, and anyway, 'swagger' is not a very English characteristic.  Maybe you just know some unpleasant people, and are judging us all by their behaviour.

As for the World Cup Final, I can only speak about my experience.  I went to watch the match in a pub on Clapham Common, and there is no doubt whatsoever that the pub was in breach of fire regs..it was heaving.  Not normal Saturday night heaving, but 'people sitting on the floor' heaving.  Most in there were English...with a smattering of Aussies...and I think it was about even as to who they were supporting.  Most just wanted a great game, which we got, and I think this is because there are many people in the UK who love football and would therefore never miss the final, regardless of who was playing.  Much of it may also be because many in England have some kind of non-English heritiage...loads of people in London have Italian ancestry for example.

There was also a good crowd out for the third place play off, and everyone was cheering for Germany, which is something I never thought i'd see!

So, basically, no, we did not lose interest all.



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Re: So do people really care.......
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2006, 02:51:29 PM »
that's all i was wondering, i live in amall town here and the pubs seemed to be deserted.  i was just looking for some other views.  thanks

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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2006, 04:48:27 PM »
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