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Update - NHS to lose 2 highly skilled Doctors>>
« on: October 28, 2006, 04:56:59 PM »
Hiya all,
Not wanting to start a political debate as such, this is an update to a posting I made a few months ago regarding my 2 doctor cousins headhunted out of India to come work here.

They've decided enough is enough with the 'internal politics' of the NHS and are both busy preparing for their exams to move to the USA.

So the NHS is going to lose a highly skilled Anaesthetist (with consultancy experience) and his wife, a Pathologist also with consultancy experience - due to an absurd turnaround in the requirements of foreign doctors. Basically, because now the NHS wants 'home grown' docs first, then docs from the 'EU' second, it puts them at the bottom of the list for getting jobs as they came from outside the EU. They were headhunted in the first place by the NHS becuase their 'home grown' talent was a joke! on top of that, they recently had a baby boy and the 'rules' dictate although he was born here in the UK he will NOT be given British Nationality - which adds further insult.

In the 3-4 years they've been here, they've seen quite a lot of what the NHS is about from an internal resource point of view, the shocking politics, and the final straw is came when they announced they couldn't guarantee him and his wife a job after their contracts run out becuase of them coming from India!

There is much more to this and they both of course know exactly where they stand but from what they've told me, I find it utterly shocking that the NHS is now this way. It's basically being run as a 'business', referrals to which you'll see in other threads and confirmed by what my cousins tell me about their experiences here.

it actually gets worse for other's in a similar situation as them, they can easily point out doctors who have basically been working for free and some just on temporary 3-6 month contracts who've now been told that even though they're doing 'UK experience and training' that at the end of it they probably won't get a job as the 'EU candidates' will get preference -

what they should be doing is not stopping the doctors 'ALREADY' here and working in their roles and studying for their UK exams - bu tmaybe stopping 'NEW' candidates (and even then they shouldnt be doing that becuase they're wanting to come here to work and help the NHS!)

But simply put, seeing as the 'management' of the NHS will 'have its way' my cousins are wanting to get the hell out. Another kicker is that the 'Management' know his anaesthetic skills are a real cut above the new 'home grown' doctors and yet they still call him at home to ask him to come and work 'because they have no one as good as him' ! this is after his contract finished and he didn't renew becuase of this new policy! it's utterly ridiculous!

Of course, with their level of expertise, moving to the USA (or Canada!) will easily Quadruple their combined pay (provided they pass and get into a residency program over there - which he tells me is the 'difficult' part) so I can' t blame them at all.

Lets just say that the words they use to describe feelings amongst doctors like them are not mentionable here!

On the flipside - the dwinding services that the NHS CAN get right are at least helping some individuals - my mum having her knee replacement after only a 3 month wait, and another relative going in for some Cancer treatment that went very well shows that what they NHS can do right it can do relatively effectively.

I just really do feel sorry for the potential patients of the NHS who would have LOVED the care provided by my cousins and their knowledge and experience who now won't ever get that here, but it's a double edged sword, my cousins feel they would like to stay but not with ridiculous 'management' decisions like these being placed on them and others like them.

One day I should get my cousin to post here and explain in depth the things he's seen and observed within the NHS on a broad level and his own personal experience level.

I'm renewing my insurance with BUPA methinks.....

Dennis! West London & Slough UK!


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Re: Update - NHS to lose 2 highly skilled Doctors>>
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2006, 05:57:56 PM »
sorry to hear about this

it's not just Doctors that are despondent stories like this is just a long line of mismanagement that I've become all too familiar hearing about... my cohort are just about to graduate and most will not be able to be hired..that's £22,000 or so NHS bursaries spent per student on training these students that now are not eligible to work.
That's just chump change really...there's been many other things I've seen like Barnet Hospital and management misspending millions were caught , fired and guess what? they gave themselves a nice cushy severance payout before they left the post. There's been whining from SHOs and others about not getting their pay rise as well as nurses so management have been trying to pawn the blame that they don't have money because they push the blame on both disciplines salary rise requests.... ::)

I left US disheartened thinking UK would provide me better perspective about heathcare in general....I grew tired of workmates leaving for just the sake of money, interpersonal care was shite within my working environments, Doctors being overworked , spending more time filling bloody co-pay and other insurance speak. Bloody pharmaceutical companies trying to woo staff. Where more healthcare staff were becoming pharmaceutical reps because there was more money involved.
Sadly the politics within US healthcare isn't any more pleasant ...new place new politics IE doctor's hands tied due to fear of litigation that's just one of the rants Doctors were barking about way back when.

sad ..I still admire NHS efforts in providing care with what it has and wish people would pull their fingers out soon

oh well
« Last Edit: October 28, 2006, 06:08:47 PM by Alicia »
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Re: Update - NHS to lose 2 highly skilled Doctors>>
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2006, 08:54:35 PM »
You have to wonder what the NHS/gov is thinking.  I'm really sorry to hear about this. 

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Re: Update - NHS to lose 2 highly skilled Doctors>>
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2006, 06:45:06 PM »
Hiya Alicia -

I kinda forgot about this post and remembered as they've both just popped back from a USA and Canada visit

I also have ALOT of medical docs etc in the family, extended family, extended family's friends etc who are all over the US in various stages of their careers, still at university, new residency and those in practice for the last few decades etc.

There is no doubt, that the US system has it's negative aspects, even these docs in the system recognise this fact and they all don't like it - however, it's still there and so my cousins here are thinking, well if we must put up with stupid b0llocks, petty politics, dum management etc etc - then we might as well get paid 3-4 times as much and be as professional as possible when it comes to quality of care and their patients.

From all the ones I've spoken to, it really seems to boil down to that - they really really want to provide the care, apply their expertise, save lives, learn more - but just be a cog in the 'system' and do what that cog is meant to with as little fuss to the negative aspects as possible.

They flew home on saturday PM and he laughed at a letter he'd recieved asking him to consider work as they were short/needed his expertise - he laughed and threw it in the bin saying he'd call them and mention he's making alternative arrangements and not to be bothered again - like you said, it's sad really..

It'll be interesting to see what this new 'NHS Survey for GP's' will come up with!

DtM - West London & Slough UK!


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