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Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« on: February 27, 2007, 11:01:28 AM »
Are you married to an academic? 

Do you feel the frustration of being married to an academic?

Vent here..  Let's have a support group!

My DH is an academic in medical sciences.  We've been at this game a looooong time.  We've experienced the very best of academia and unfortunately the very worst. 

The problems we  go through are not understood by very many and I would love to share stories!!

 
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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2007, 11:17:39 AM »
I'm the wife of an academic - DH is doing a PhD in geology/geomorphology. He's due to submit no later than December 2007 and has to find a job as soon as he is done. It's been a long, hard slog for him as he's had difficulties with his supervisor. We also got married, moved 3 times, and had our first baby - which I suffered life-threatening complications from. But despite all this, he's planning to finish in 4 years.

I hope.

I'm also an academic but have put my PhD on hold for the most part until he is done. Not ideal, but the best we can manage right now.
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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2007, 11:21:46 AM »
 :\\\'(  I feel like this is Alanon or something.

DH entered grad school in October 1997 (yes you read that right, 97) and is due to submit this spring.  He should be defending in late April/early May and graduate in June.  Everyone please PRAY this will happen! He is the stereotypical academic - he just researches and researches and is so interested in his topic that he has trouble just finishing the paper.  He seems to be in a good place right now although we'll see what the advisors think.  It doesn't help that we're here in London and they are all in Chicago. :P


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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2007, 12:12:50 PM »
:\\\'(  I feel like this is Alanon or something.
Alademic?   :)

My DH did his masters in 1988-91, during which time, we moved across the country, we got married,  moved back to our hometown, had a baby and he worked for three years, had another baby and he did his PhD from 94-97.  We then moved to California for his post-doc where we stayed for 6 years. 

Now, DH is trying to establish himself as an independent researcher which is so not easy in today's climate. They seem to keep changing the rules. The road he took 10 years ago, has been blown up and hasn't been rebuilt yet.   It is not a happy time for the 'young' researchers these days.  And young now-a-days means 40!!!

We are so frustrated that it is tempting to just pitch it but we've invested too much into it to just let it go.  Someone, somewhere must have some appreciation for the supposed world-class training DH has acquired.  Thus far, we haven't found it. But we keep looking.

Academia is too full of petty politics and fragile egos... and the lengths those fragile egos will go to protect their little pieces of the  pie is stunning.  Academia is not for the faint of heart in this day and age, that is for sure! 

How I wish sometimes that DH had a job that required no emotional investment.  It would be so much easier!  it's hard to explain to people who arent' in academia that research is a way of life, not just a job!


 
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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2007, 12:20:52 PM »
I am grateful that DH's area of expertise is one that is not widespread (sea-level rise and using diatoms to determine that). Diatoms have applications in all sorts of research so that is useful, but sea-level change is applicaple to climate change. We are hopeful that in the post-Katrina world, his work will be valued more than it might have been a few years ago.

But yes, he is passionate about what he does and his actual preference is sea level change thousands of years ago, not in the recent past. But he'll have to go with the flow.

DH's supervisor, is IMHO, a total a$$. Nuff said.

And yes, research is a way of life. We can't drive anywhere without DH *reading* the landscape like a book. In many ways, that's cool - especially living near the Jurassic Coast. But sometimes I just wanna say, oooh, that's pretty!  ::) ;D
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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2007, 12:25:18 PM »
And yes, research is a way of life. We can't drive anywhere without DH *reading* the landscape like a book. In many ways, that's cool - especially living near the Jurassic Coast. But sometimes I just wanna say, oooh, that's pretty!  ::) ;D

We've never taken a holiday without DH taking papers along. 
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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2007, 12:37:56 PM »
My husband is also an academic in medical sciences.  In fact, I'm just beginning to feel the pain of his 13 years in college because he graduated with his PhD last August and all of his student loans are now coming due!!  

He's doing a 3 year post-doc now and is planning to go straight into a faculty position back in the States (luckily he's already had a couple offers), but his friends who have done 2 or 3 post-docs are not finding work anywhere in academia, so instead are having to work in industry.

Academia is too full of petty politics and fragile egos... and the lengths those fragile egos will go to protect their little pieces of the  pie is stunning.  Academia is not for the faint of heart in this day and age, that is for sure!  

How I wish sometimes that DH had a job that required no emotional investment.  It would be so much easier!  it's hard to explain to people who arent' in academia that research is a way of life, not just a job!

This is so true!  My husband spends every free minute he has in lab and none of my friends and family can understand this, but he absolutely loves what he does.  It is totally his life and not just a job.  The stories I hear about experiments being sabotaged and names being left of papers drives me insane...I know I couldn't handle it, but I guess that's why I'm not in the field myself.  


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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2007, 01:04:32 PM »
My husband is also an academic in medical sciences.  In fact, I'm just beginning to feel the pain of his 13 years in college because he graduated with his PhD last August and all of his student loans are now coming due!! 

Ha Ha!! Another side benefit of marrying an academic.  Our goal is to pay the loans off before DD goes to college.  (not very likely..)  Lucky for her, we have financing of her education all sorted thanks to very generous grandparents.  If my kids relied on us, they'd be taking out loans along with us or would never get to college. 

Really.  Is this life worth it?  ::)
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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2007, 01:22:37 PM »

Really.  Is this life worth it?  ::)


Sometimes I wonder.  I'm not attached right now, but this is still a subject that hits home because I know one day I may find myself in this situation.  This is such a lifestyle that is prone to burnout, and we work 3-6 years past our PhDs very hard for sometimes little result (story of my life for the past two years in my position and I will be looking for another one soon).  It's heartbreaking sometimes because I really love research and mentoring others, but the academic market is so dismal here in the States and what I've seen so far is disheartening and discouraging; many of the positions open to new post-doc grads are the research assitant professor positions which are more or less glorified fellowships with little independence.  The average age for prinicpal investigators to receive their first NIH grant is 42...42!!!  I've just had a friend land his first tenure-track faculty job at the age of 46!!!  In academic medicine here, he'll be lucky if he gets tenure by his mid-50's!

And KK is right...to echo what she said, this is not just a job, it's a way of life!

If "Alademic" ever materializes, heck, sign me up!!!  :P


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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2007, 01:37:52 PM »
My husband is not an academic- but my father did his Ph.D as we were growing up.  The sacrifice and support my mom gave my dad was incredible.  So many evenings and weekends by herself with four children, plus working full time- which she still does at the age of 66.  Fourth grade teacher who loves it.
My father's degree was in biomedical sciences and I recall the discussions of experiments being stolen, plus I remember the stories of my father being told to break glass pipettes and equipment because if they weren't "used" they wouldn't get more grant funding.  I still don't understand how I have such a brainy dad (who had his name in the patent books when he was under 25!)- but I am hoping I am a carrier of that gene. :)


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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2007, 01:54:56 PM »
My husband is not an academic- but my father did his Ph.D as we were growing up.  The sacrifice and support my mom gave my dad was incredible.  So many evenings and weekends by herself with four children, plus working full time-

I could kiss you Grace!  Seriously. 

Were you conscious of it growing up or have you only really 'seen' it now that you're all grown up?
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2007, 01:59:36 PM »
Sometimes I wonder.  I'm not attached right now, but this is still a subject that hits home because I know one day I may find myself in this situation.  This is such a lifestyle that is prone to burnout, and we work 3-6 years past our PhDs very hard for sometimes little result (story of my life for the past two years in my position and I will be looking for another one soon).  It's heartbreaking sometimes because I really love research and mentoring others, but the academic market is so dismal here in the States and what I've seen so far is disheartening and discouraging; many of the positions open to new post-doc grads are the research assitant professor positions which are more or less glorified fellowships with little independence.  The average age for prinicpal investigators to receive their first NIH grant is 42...42!!!  I've just had a friend land his first tenure-track faculty job at the age of 46!!!  In academic medicine here, he'll be lucky if he gets tenure by his mid-50's!


Oh how I wish this wasn't true.  It is the worst it's ever been for funding in the US and Canada. 
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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2007, 02:11:55 PM »
I could kiss you Grace!  Seriously. 

Were you conscious of it growing up or have you only really 'seen' it now that you're all grown up?
We were conscious of it growing up.  It caused a lot of strain in my parent's marriage at different times (particularly financially and when (as others have written) the goalposts would suddenly change).  My mother used to read to us before we would all go to bed and sometimes she was so tired she would fall asleep in the middle of a page and we (horrid children that we were) used to laugh hysterically at her when she did.
She must have been exhausted.


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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2007, 10:45:10 PM »
I am the spouse of an academic and a wanna-be academic (PhD student) myself.  Boy do I have a lot to vent!!!

First off, I am tired of moving every 2 years.  My husband is on his second postdoc.  It ends this summer.  We have no idea where in the world we will live come August.  We have gone through this twice before already, and god knows how many times we will have to again until we get permanent jobs somewhere.  I am tired of investing time in meeting new people, only to leave them as soon as we start to be friends.  I'm tired of moving, of having belongings spread in 3 countries, of not knowing what will come.  I want to settle!

Next, there is the huge fear that we will never be able to get permanent jobs in the same place.  My image of married academia came from the professor couples at the tiny liberal arts college where I was an undergrad.  They both worked at the same university, lived close by, and it was part of their everyday lives in so many ways-- they were the backbone of the sense of community that I loved.  They also alternated their classes schedules and sabbaticals to minimize the need for outside childcare.  It seemed ideal to me.  I still hold out hope, slim as I know it is, that someday we will have that lifestyle-- otherwise I would quit my PhD right now.  But of the academic couples we know, very few have managed to get jobs at the same university, and most do outrageous weekly commutes to maintain "weekend marriages."  It is absolutely frightening to me.

Third, there are all of the delays, all of the things that have been put on hold for our extremely long educations.  How is it possible to finish writing up, publish, get a job, buy a house, and have kids all at the same time???  All of these things need to happen between the ages of 30 and 35!  We often mourn the pension and house equity that we have lost by delaying a permanent job and home.  Meanwhile, I worry that my eggs are aging, and my husband works every night to hopefully publish enough to get this permanent job I keep mentioning, which is the key to all of the other items on my wish list.  But even if he gets a permanent job in this round of applications (which is looking less and less promising as the RAE panic worsens), it is highly unlikely that it will be permanent for us, because I will go on the job market next year (hopefully) and throw a new wrench/spanner in the works-- see vent #2 above.

So basically, I live a life of constant fear and anxiety!

Then, there's my mother...  No one in either of our families particularly understands the need for careers in academia, although they generally respect the idea.  Except my mother, who can not at all understand how our careers are more important than choosing where we live.  She is constantly suggesting that we teach high school and move in across the street from her!  And she combs the local newspaper for job ads that seem related to my husband's field (experimental psychology)-- of course they are never remotely relevant.  It get's a bit annoying.

And finally, there is the academic personality-- not always the easiest to live with.  I am not a typical academic; ie I notice my surroundings and am more preoccupied with the grocery list than my work-- maybe it is a female thing.  My husband, a true academic, could live in a small box, so long as it contained his computer.  He's a little absorbed in his work.  Still, this is part of his personality, which I mostly love, and the little inconveniences and misunderstandings that result from his academicness are really the least of my problems (see above)!

Ahh, that's better...  Sorry for the "little" vent-- it did help though.  For now.  Thanks for listening.


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Re: Spouses of Academics Unite!!
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2007, 10:49:41 PM »
I love your post. I'm too knackered right now to respond, but I will this weekend! I relate on almost every level!!
When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. ~ John Lennon


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