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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2007, 09:14:26 AM »
Parent shout at their kids.   And they regret it.  Kids shout at their parents and really wind them up.  And it blows over.  Not excusing anything he said, he shouldn't have said it but he did, but my reaction is Thank God no one has a tape of me telling the seventeen year old that I am ABSOLUTELY FED UP or telling that the ten year old that if she doesn't get.to.bed.now.my.head.is probably.going.to.explode.  It's not child abuse.  It's life. 

Yep.  I'm sure that the majority of parents have spoken to their older children using the same tone heard in the voicemail -- I know my mom has!   ;)

There was no child abuse here  ::).  What we hear is a father who is pissed off that his child is being manipulated by her mother.  He was just misdirecting that anger.  Shame on Kim Basinger for releasing it to the press -- only served to reinforce my opinion that she's a total wacko.


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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2007, 09:18:32 AM »
 
EnglandsYank:  Yes, I agree.  If this is indeed the WORST her father has dished out to her, she is lucky.  However, my guess that it is not....

I don't think any of us are entitled to make such assumptions.

Child abuse? That's ridiculous - if that is now considered child abuse than I am never going to have children because it seems anything even remotely resembling discipline these days is considered abuse and I refuse to raise the kind of rude, spoiled, undisciplined children I see so much of these days.
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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2007, 09:55:43 AM »
I just wonder, what is being taught the child in all this. It's a court ordered phone visitation, so her dad can talk to her before she goes to school and have a little involvement in her life. And she is blowing it off - not just once, but all the time. So what is being taught?

A) Courts don't matter, judge's orders don't matter, the law doesn't matter - you just do your own thing

B) Her dad doesn't matter - you just do your own thing

C) Consideration for others or learning how to deal with people and situations you would rather not does not matter.

D) Having manners and being polite does not matter.

If she doesn't like her dad or doesn't want to deal with him or whatever, it's still court-ordered time. The least her mom could do is teach her that sometimes in life you have to do things you don't want to, you have to be polite to people you don't like, and you have to show consideration for other's feelings by doing things that you'd rather not. And her mom could make sure she takes the call. Even if she is a sullen brat on the phone, that's got to be a step better for her dad than not even answering the phone (he should have an idea that with or without the mother's influence that age will start bringing attitude in buckets).

But her mom isn't even doing that. Her mom mightn't even be around when the call is scheduled (apparently it's a cell phone?). Her mom is blowing it off just as much as the kid is.

I don't want to be blaming the mother, we don't know all sides to this, but it doesn't look good for her, and this is without even getting to the point where the voicemail is made public.

Even if the guy is the biggest a**hole in the world, how does violating the court visitation help? Cause that gives the a**hole ammunition to go to court and say, "I'm not getting my visitation" and cause more problems. Wouldn't the easier thing to be to have the daughter just take the call and be done with it?

Whatever the case is, I think that the tactic of releasing the voicemail has monumentally backfired on the mother, big time.

Also, what I was most surprised about, when hearing the tape, was that given the people swearing up and down it was child abuse and he was scarring her for life, I was surprised at how restrained it was. I was expecting a tirade of abuse, and tbh, a tirade of abuse that was not. Very little swearing, the worst name used was pig, and the threat that was being claimed was your bogstandard parental threat which could mean anything (and nothing). Given how angry he was, and it is clear he is pissed off, he could have been a lot worse.

And I think a lot of parents who hear it are going to hear themselves, and are going to understand. So there's another backfire to the mother's plan.

I am in no way condoning abuse. I just think there is more to the story than what we got and even if he is an angry guy, I'm not 100% that amounts to abuse. Especially if you have a situtation where someone else is manipulating that anger and winding it up to make themselves look like the victim. In reality, that makes the angry dude the victim, not the manipulator.

It's just awfully sad, what a waste of time and lives. How much could they have done with themselves if they weren't wrapped in this never-ending clusterfck sprial of bullsh!t? Some personalities just need to stay away from each other, otherwise together they are just a black-hole of angst.

Her dad is making the effort, which should be a positive, not a negative.

Thinking about this just makes me sad. Such wasted energy.
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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2007, 10:15:58 AM »
At the risk of opening myself up for abuse...
I don't think he said anything horrible. He sounded like a dad who was dissapointed and trying to express this to his daughter.

I agree.  Obviously, he didn't express it in the best of ways, but we don't know what he has to go through with his exwife.

The very fact she leaked the tape shows what kind of person she is!


Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2007, 10:26:28 AM »
This sounds like an angry, depressed, frustrated (possibly chemically enhanced) man who took out his anger for his ex-wife on his daughter. I'm sure he regrets it. We all lose our patience with our kids at one point or another but this guy just went on and on and on and on. Totaly ridiculous. He deserves what he gets.


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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2007, 11:02:37 AM »

I don't think any of us are entitled to make such assumptions.

Child abuse? That's ridiculous - if that is now considered child abuse than I am never going to have children because it seems anything even remotely resembling discipline these days is considered abuse and I refuse to raise the kind of rude, spoiled, undisciplined children I see so much of these days.

He felt that his daughter was treating him like crap and expressed it. He was giving her the same amount of respect that she gave him. If that's the worse 'abuse' this girl ever experiences, she is lucky.
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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2007, 11:04:19 AM »
I'm afraid I can't be impartial. I've always had the  [smiley=heart.gif] s for Alec Baldwin.
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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2007, 01:58:22 PM »
At the risk of being blasted, I don't think kids should be forced to do anything, just because it's court ordered. Maybe she was just being a pre-teen pain in the a*s, or maybe she has issues and truly doesn't want to speak to her father. Just because the court said he had the right to a certain amount of phone time, does not mean it's the best thing for her.  Just my opinion, don't get mad at me please :D ;)


Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2007, 02:51:11 PM »
We've all said things that we regret.  And, yes, sometimes those things are directed at our children.  I don't think it's fair to judge someone's relationship with their child based on one call leaked to the press out of spite by an ex-wife.

Honestly, I think the only person who should be judging his actions is his daughter.


Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2007, 05:28:13 PM »
At the risk of being blasted, I don't think kids should be forced to do anything, just because it's court ordered.
I agree Tristessa but my $10,000 spent in recent court costs proves otherwise.   :-\\\\


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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2007, 05:46:19 PM »
At the risk of being blasted, I don't think kids should be forced to do anything, just because it's court ordered. Maybe she was just being a pre-teen pain in the a*s, or maybe she has issues and truly doesn't want to speak to her father. Just because the court said he had the right to a certain amount of phone time, does not mean it's the best thing for her.  Just my opinion, don't get mad at me please :D ;)

Or, maybe her mother has brainwashed into thinking she doesn't want to see her dad.

This girl's parents are divorced, so obviously one parent will not see her as much as the other.  That is what why many divorced fathers (or mothers) have a time agreement like that in their divorce agreement.  Its to protect their RIGHTS as a parent to see their child/speak to their child.

Its important for a child to have a father in their life.  I can't understand why you'd think it wouldn't be the best thing for her to see/speak to her father.


Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2007, 05:48:30 PM »
I can't understand why you'd think it wouldn't be the best thing for her to see/speak to her father.

what if the father is some kind of reprobate?


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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2007, 05:51:29 PM »
what if the father is some kind of reprobate?

Obviously, not in that case, which I'm assuming isn't the case here.


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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2007, 05:55:38 PM »
Its important for a child to have a father in their life.  I can't understand why you'd think it wouldn't be the best thing for her to see/speak to her father.

It is important for a child to have their parents in their life, but in some cases, it may not be to the benefit of the child. From personal experience I can say that. The last time i saw my father, i ended up suicidal at 15, not exactly what I'd want for my child. I'm not saying this is the case with this family, I'm not saying that at all. I was merely saying that sometimes there are reasons why children don't want to talk to a parent who is not in their life on a regular basis.

And for the record, my dad was not an abuser per se, he just played some pretty mighty mind games on me as a kid. If he was angry enough to leave that message for her, it's maybe not the first time those sort of words have come out of his mouth.


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Re: Alec Baldwins Verbal Attack on his daughter
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2007, 06:02:29 PM »
It is important for a child to have their parents in their life, but in some cases, it may not be to the benefit of the child.

I'll agree with this, but unless there is a specific reason, a parent should not be restricted from seeing their child.

I would think is most cases it has more to do with the parent the child is constantly with, than anything else.  My stepsister's mother used to play my stepdad (give me this or you won't see your child, etc.).  Its disgusting.

Sometimes parents play each other, using their children as pawns.  It happens and its horrible. 


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