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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2007, 09:21:18 AM »
To give you an actual data point, I'm a first-year postdoc at a university and I'm making nearly £27k. I'm in theoretical physics, but at my university it doesn't matter what field you're in, at least for postdocs.

Yeah, I think post-doc salaries are fairly universal. I noticed a difference in salaries for other posts when I checked my university's vacancy list yesterday - a senior lecturer post in infectious diseases was between £47,104 - £80,812, yet a senior lecturer post in another dept (the job advert is gone now so I can't check which subject it was) was only about £35,000-£45,000!

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My office mate, who's been a postdoc for two years, owns a house and two cars and has a baby on the way, and she and her husband are basically living on her salary. (Admittedly, this is in Northern Ireland which is fairly inexpensive, and they bought their house a few years ago before the housing market here went bonkers...)

For years, my family lived off only my mum's salary which must have been around £25K (although this was in the early '90's when money went a bit further) and we managed pretty well, but we did have to make sacrifices - my parents had to cut our weekly pocket money by half and for a while we couldn't afford do keep doing all of our weekly extracurricular activities. However, we still had our 4-bedroom, detached house, managed to feed all 5 of us and kept at least 1 car running (I can't remember if we had one or 2 cars back then - now we have 3!).


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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2007, 09:39:24 AM »
I keep hearing that the quality of life is worth the "consumer" down grade. Right now we have two cars and enough money every month to buy plenty of groceries, pay all the bills, save a little bit every month and still have some extra to go out at least twice a week (once for breakfast, once for dinner) and to a movie if we wanted. So there are truthfully things I would be giving up---like going for coffee at the local cafe every morning, digital cable, cell phones and the like.

Dude. You will be able to do that on 40k per year, no probem, if you spend wisely, budget your expenses, and are money smart. Easily. I've been doing that with a husband and two kids for a lot, lot, lot, less than 40k.

Your mortgage/rent will be a factor and a chunk of your budget. You need to think about how you want to approach it. We have lived in council housing, which has financially helped us - a 3 bed house for very low rent. It can be a short term solution towards you guy figuring out where you want to live and how you are going to do it.

You may not need two cars, depending on where you are living. 7 years here and we still don't have a car, and get around fine. Oh, of course, it would be better to have a car, but the point is, you don't need (nessecarily) need one, let alone two (and you mightn't have a place to park either). So keep that in mind - that is one of those things you won't know until you get here. Belfast, where I live, may be weird though, as part of its public transport is provided by black-market taxis, private taxi firms in local estates run by ex-prisoners (for the most part), and they are dirt cheap. That combined with good bus and rail means you can easily get by, even with kids, without a car - though it can of course be admittedly a pain in the ass. If you are cutting corners, you make trade offs.


Going out for coffee or going out twice a week, well, I have found that you are limited in your choice of options unless you are always going into town. Perhaps that's the neighborhood I live in, but the culture of restaurants/cafes we have in the states has not caught on here (yet). Service is not the best and to be frank nor is cleanliness, even in the better restaurants. (Of course that is hit or miss). But I am thinking if you like to go to say, your local diner, every week, it might not be the same here. Unless you live next to a cafe, coffee out every morning is probably not gonna happen. And once the baby arrives, you'll be fairly housebound anyway, even with the best intentions.

Cable tv, internet and mobile phones are easily doable as well. For example, what we would mark as 'entertainment budget' goes to the TV & internet package. We don't go out pubbing or out to eat very much and almost never to the movies (especially not together - babysitters are hard to come by for us on the day we'd like the ones we have to sit for us, lol), rarely to concerts and we don't buy a lot of dvds or cds. So our entertainment budget is getting the biggest cable TV package, because we are home to watch it (tho we skip the movie and sports option because we never ended up watching any of them), and we get a faster internet speed because we use it all the time.

All of this is to say you trade off what you want for what you need, what you use for what you don't, and sometimes the difference in culture makes those choices for you. The short answer is that yes, you will be able to manage well enough on 40K over here. How you do it you honestly won't know until you are here.  ;)



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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2007, 09:49:51 AM »

Your mortgage/rent will be a factor and a chunk of your budget. You need to think about how you want to approach it. We have lived in council housing, which has financially helped us - a 3 bed house for very low rent. It can be a short term solution towards you guy figuring out where you want to live and how you are going to do it.

If I'm not mistaken, council housing in the Home Counties will have a huge waiting list. And to be really frank, I think council housing in Reading could be pretty scary, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

We couldn't get into council housing in Exeter and that was with a baby.
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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2007, 09:55:37 AM »
Waiting lists are likely long everywhere, and full of dodgy areas (we live in one). It's an option to look into, especially if it is short term, that's all I am saying.


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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2007, 10:18:22 AM »
True. I guess I was just thinking that, in order to get on the list, don't you have to be here first? Or, since the OP's husband is British, could he get on a list before moving over? I have no idea but I suspect not.

We would have been happy to deal with the dodgy area, as you do, for a break in rent for the year or so we'll be here. But not only was the wait long, our council has also switched to a method where you practically 'bid' on homes. It's insane.

But we're veering way off course here...

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When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. ~ John Lennon


Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2007, 10:20:36 AM »
Many families here live on far, far less than £40k/annum.

And on that amount of money, about the only benefit you qualify for is Child Benefit for your British child, with the possible exception of Child Tax Credit if that child is being cared for by a registered childminder. 

As for as qualifying for social housing on that salary - lol!



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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2007, 10:23:08 AM »
People who do not have ILR are not entitled to public funds.  This includes tax credits, SureStart maternity grants, child benefit, etc.



Yes, but her husband is, isn't he? (well not the maternity grant)
When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. ~ John Lennon


Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2007, 10:23:42 AM »
Yes, but her husband is, isn't he? (well not the maternity grant)

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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2007, 10:24:22 AM »
It's just something to consider, and if he can get himself on a list now, it could be an option. Even if, say, they end up renting for 6 months, and then get council housing for a year, that's a bit of savings. Though saying that some people are on the list for years. It's just an option. They could get on the list and then when they are offered something by that time be in a position to turn it down; but at least they have a fall-back.

And yes, a little off-course! ;)


Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2007, 10:24:59 AM »
What you could look into is 'tied accommodation'.  This is when a university is large enough to offer what is basically married student housing to its staff as well as students.

This can be had in some places, although the rent is not necessarily cheaper than market rent, it can offer a more assured tenancy.


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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2007, 10:27:10 AM »
Oh yeah, doh, didn't even think of the salary LOL, yeah, 40K would put you above the social housing line. (As you can see, I am used to thinking about living on a helluva lot less and live around people who live on way less than 40K so it didn't even enter my mind when thinking about council housing!) Doh :P


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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2007, 10:28:48 AM »
Reading Uni does have married student housing. It's not too bad but, as you say, isn't much different in terms of rental prices in the area, IIRC.

LOL@ Stella, it went over my head, too! :)
When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life. ~ John Lennon


Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2007, 10:39:23 AM »
Reading Uni does have married student housing. It's not too bad but, as you say, isn't much different in terms of rental prices in the area, IIRC.

Sometimes the heating is included in the rent, although it's controlled centrally so if you want heat and they haven't turned it on yet you'd need to rely on those plug-in heaters or bar fires.

But yeah, I'd consider £40k/annum an amazing amount to live on - too much to consider it a drop in standard of living by any stretch.



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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2007, 10:47:54 AM »
i know money is always a factor in deciding any move, but i believe that people adjust their living standards to what money they are brining in.  I left an $80k a year job in the states to move to yorkshire and am now making just under £27k as a temp.  Looking at the figures most people would say i am a fool, but i know that i am happier than i've ever been.  My boyfriend and i have bought a house and live a very nice life (still go out to restaurants, multiple holidays a year, etc).  I think I've just adjusted my spending habits and prioritized what was most important to me.  To be honest I don't really miss going to Target and Ann Taylor every week and buying clothes and extra junk to have in my house.  I probably live a bit more simply than when i was making more than twice what i'm on now.

Suppose what i'm trying to convey is that, assuming you aren't one who is tempted to get into major debt to keep up with the Joneses, if moving to England will be a better quality of life for your family and will be good for your hubby then the finances will work themselves out.


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Re: How do you do it and is it worth it?
« Reply #44 on: May 30, 2007, 12:02:01 PM »
Hiya all!

 

Suppose what i'm trying to convey is that, assuming you aren't one who is tempted to get into major debt to keep up with the Joneses, if moving to England will be a better quality of life for your family and will be good for your hubby then the finances will work themselves out.

cool to see all the other responses and I just wanted to say alisonwwyorks you hit the nail on the head with this one which is something i tried to say in my posts y'day.

For those of us who are indeed 'careful' and 'wise' and 'good managers' of the money you earn, everything that's been said in this thread is correct. You certainly CAN live on alot less than 40K/year in or just around London, a fact borne from the amount of job advertisements of considerably less than that amount and in terms of amounts of actual job numbers.

Being a slight pessimist on 'statistics' due to various other threads and discussions for various aspects of UK life I quote the following,

only 4 million of the UK workforce earn in the higher tax bracket - I don't know the actual 'published' stats, but I'd say the total UK workforce would be around the 30-35 million mark (out of the UK's 66 million population)? so 4 million equates to only around %10 ish working with those salaries. Puts the rest of the workforce in the lower bracket and the majority of those dont pay close to the tax threshold!

Moving on slightly - It's a common 'observation' for many Americans arriving here to see 'we have less of a slave to work or more laid back approach or dont need as much or dont have to keep up with the jones's' type things which appeals.

I have no problems with people having that opinion - however using more 'published stats' it is completley evident that the reality is anything but.

Largest levels of credit card borrowing than ALL other Euro countries put together, people needing to work 2 jobs just to make ends meet as property prices become unobtainable for average salary levels in 95% of the geographic locations of the country, indicate the keep up with the jones' is very very much alive and kicking. Remember the UK has Unpaid overtime for middle and senior management roles and an 'unspoken expectancy' for you to work 50 hours plus in those jobs which err, is just like the U.S culture - and of course mixes in with the 'I must 'look' like im successful so i'll buy and borrow more to make it look like i am, so i'll work more and do more hours so 'hopefully' i'll get a pay raise type thinking, which also now appears in jobs below the middle management level - so mr & ms/mrs average succumb to this 'false' sense of I want to look better than I really am attitude.

There's a financials website I visit, and a very very very busy section of it is the 'how to deal with debt' message board - full of those people who've had thier lightbulb moment and wondering how to repay huge amount of debt.

It's comparitively 'few' of us who are clued up enough to realise exactly how to make money work for you as best as possible, but the vast majority of the UK populace has absolutley no clue!

Of course, UKY posters are definitley within the clued up community!

To finish off, of course there are compromises, and many of you share that giving up x and y to be here with their opposite (and better!) half's makes it worthwhile! which is great - I'm just coming from the viewpoint that at 'some' point it does become more than that i.e usually an expanding family, possible redundancies, no pay increases etc and that's when things really start to bite about financial stuff and in that case seems UKY' people do have a good chance of 'surviving' it - as from actual portfolio's of real people I've dealt with, many many simply do not.

I'll shutup now!

Cheers! DtM! West London & Slough UK!


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