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Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« on: August 21, 2007, 09:30:21 PM »
Ok now that the Harry Potter hoopla has died down a bit, I wanted to start a thread on these books - cos I thought they were loads better than HP (for one) & also cos the film of the first one (The Golden Compass -- also was titled Northern Lights) is due to be released in the UK on 7 December 2007:

http://www.goldencompassmovie.com/

Anyone other than me getting excited about this?! ;D

I know the series has some fans out there in UKY land.  ~Elizabeth~?  Stacey? :)

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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2007, 05:28:15 PM »
I just found out yesterday about the film, and I'm very excited! I read Northern Lights for a Children's Lit class I did at Uni and re-read it along with the other two a few months ago. They are really good - I just hope they stay 'dark' and don't get too Hollywood-ified!


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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2007, 06:29:41 PM »
LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!

It's been a couple of years since I read them, but definitely was hooked... and saw the 2-part stage version at the National as well!
Really looking forward to the film, and hoping to re-read the books after my return to the U.S. (I just gave away the trilogy I had bought here; will replace them later)

It's a challenge, but I enjoyed them much better not comparing them to anything, particularly Harry Potter... they're much grittier and expansive.
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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2007, 07:50:20 PM »
They are really good - I just hope they stay 'dark' and don't get too Hollywood-ified!

Yes, Nicole (Kidman) is looking pretty glamorous (as always) in the trailer, so I think the Hollywood-ification will be unavoidable to a certain extent.

...they're much grittier and expansive.

Agreed!  I just read them over this past year, but I'm considering rereading the first one again before the movie comes out.  The trailer looks pretty cool & I'm excited about the movie coming out!

Not only do I want a Daemon, but I also want an Iorek Byrnison! :D
Ring the bells that still can ring
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That's how the light gets in...

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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2007, 08:13:32 PM »
I suppose I should get around to reading them.  DH just read The Golden Compass (at my suggestion, no less :P ) and really liked it.  I've known about them since the ancient days when I worked in kids' books, but never have got around to it.

I'm off to the library tomorrow!


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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2007, 08:24:47 PM »
I suppose I should get around to reading them.  DH just read The Golden Compass (at my suggestion, no less :P ) and really liked it.  I've known about them since the ancient days when I worked in kids' books, but never have got around to it.

I'm off to the library tomorrow!

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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2007, 08:25:36 PM »
Ooh, actually, I think Nicole Kidman might be great as Mrs. Coulter ... she's supposed to be almost unbelievably beautiful yet can be very harsh ... Kidman might just pull it off!


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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 08:55:20 PM »
Yes you have your assignment!  Book report on my desk next Tuesday...

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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 09:04:14 PM »
I 'met' my Daemon on the website - it said mine is a Gibbon, because I am modest, fickle, solitary, inquisitive & assertive.  His name is Klitus, and of course, he is male.  Might retake it another day & see if it comes up with anything different.

He looks an awful lot like that golden monkey! :o
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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2007, 12:40:23 PM »
Ooh, actually, I think Nicole Kidman might be great as Mrs. Coulter ... she's supposed to be almost unbelievably beautiful yet can be very harsh ... Kidman might just pull it off!
I thought that kidman looked brilliant as Mrs. Coulter, she glittered with evil energy and that lithe snakelikeness that I think Mrs.Coulter would have, beautiful but dangerous.
I really can't wait for the film, and I loved all the books, such a great series, especially as i did a physics degree and I love all the little science bits he throws in :)


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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2007, 05:02:29 PM »
I'm sold! I hadn't heard of this until I saw this thread, but it sounds great! It turns out my husband has the books and I'm going to read them ASAP. We can't wait for the movie!


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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2007, 10:23:59 PM »
Love these books and can't wait to see the movie.  I will read them again for about the fourth time since I bought the series.

Also re-reading the Dark is Rising, which is also coming out in film.


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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2007, 10:54:06 PM »
I am actually reading the third book now. It is going to take me forever (see the thread on why 20% of Americans can't find American on a map).

I thought the first book was too formulaic - hero(ine) goes on quest, finds out that she is actually the child of a Very Important Person. It's been done too many times before.

The second book was very good.

The Christian/bible references in the third book are sort of putting me off. To me, the bible is just a story (albeit a very well-written one), so having angels and related characters is kind of like having Harry Potter show up.


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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2007, 12:58:21 AM »
The Christian/bible references in the third book are sort of putting me off. To me, the bible is just a story (albeit a very well-written one), so having angels and related characters is kind of like having Harry Potter show up.

Why would it put you off any more than any of the other fantasy stuff in the books? It's not like Pullman is endorsing religion; he's an atheist, and the books have been described to me as sort of an "anti" Chronicles of Narnia (I haven't read them yet; my husband has and I plan to read them).

An article talks about it online (http://atheism.about.com/b/a/259368.htm):

"Philip Pullman is an atheist whose critical views of religion and theism make their way into his novels. Now that the first of a trilogy of works is coming to movie theaters, Christians in America are expressing great concern over the content. It's OK for films to express pro-religion and pro-Christianity views, I guess, but if a film expresses any criticism of Christianity — even indirectly — that's a problem!

Christian groups should probably sleep easier, though, because much of the religious critique has been pulled from the story. Apparently, Nicole Kidman wouldn't have agreed to work on the film otherwise. An organization depicted in the film kidnaps children in order to steal their souls, and this organization is regarded as a reference to the Catholic Church, but Nicole Kidman is herself Catholic and wouldn't have worked on any film that she thought might be critical of Catholicism."

On another note, my husband was very disappointed to see that they changed the storyline, as the part critical of Catholicism was a central theme, so who knows how the movie will turn out?


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Re: Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2007, 03:05:33 PM »
I thought the first book was too formulaic - hero(ine) goes on quest, finds out that she is actually the child of a Very Important Person. It's been done too many times before.

One of the reasons I really liked these books is because they have a heroine in the starring (primary) role, not a hero.  I probably don't get out much, but I don't agree that's been overly done before.

The second book was very good.

The Christian/bible references in the third book are sort of putting me off. To me, the bible is just a story (albeit a very well-written one), so having angels and related characters is kind of like having Harry Potter show up.

I really liked them all -- I just didn't quite exactly like how the last book ended.  In this instance, I did like the way Pullman dealt with the Christian/bible references because he sort of turns them on their heads.  Taking what has traditionally been a religious fantasy & saying - hey wait a second, we've only ever received one of point of view/perspective on how this fantasy supposedly all goes down.  I liked that.  Plus, I thought it tied the series together well -- at least until it got toward the end & then it all got a bit weird. :P

"Now that the first of a trilogy of works is coming to movie theaters, Christians in America are expressing great concern over the content. It's OK for films to express pro-religion and pro-Christianity views, I guess, but if a film expresses any criticism of Christianity — even indirectly — that's a problem!" 

Well yeah, you had to see that one coming!  Especially considering how worked up some of these folks got over Harry Potter. ::)

"Christian groups should probably sleep easier, though, because much of the religious critique has been pulled from the story. Apparently, Nicole Kidman wouldn't have agreed to work on the film otherwise. An organization depicted in the film kidnaps children in order to steal their souls, and this organization is regarded as a reference to the Catholic Church, but Nicole Kidman is herself Catholic and wouldn't have worked on any film that she thought might be critical of Catholicism."

On another note, my husband was very disappointed to see that they changed the storyline, as the part critical of Catholicism was a central theme, so who knows how the movie will turn out?

Yes, that may be disappointing to me too -- because it's another reason why I really liked these books! :-\\\\
Ring the bells that still can ring
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