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Negative AGI and Standard Deduction
« on: February 17, 2008, 09:20:01 PM »
Hi, I'm helping an acquaintance with his tax return, who is a US citizen. I've read a number of posts here and feel confident that I'm on the right track, however... there are a few things which I'd like to ask you.

This is the situation:
- UK earned income less than $ 80k, no earned income in US
- no interest earned in US, some in UK
- he'd pass both bona fide and physical presence tests
- has got student loan back in US
- gets paid in UK and has a savings account as well; balance less than $10k

So, I've got forms 1040 and 2555-EZ. I know he does not need to file TD F-90 22.1 as the balance is less than $ 10k at any one time. However, does he need to file Schedule B at all? The instructions indicate to answer "No" for line 7a (ie indicate whether you have forein accounts etc), because the balance is less than $ 10k. Would I need to file other forms and/or worksheets with 1040 and 2555-EZ?

My other questions are around the detail on 1040. I use indicative amounts for the sake of the story, but the situation is as follows:

Line 7 - Income (all UK earned) $ 30,000
Line 8a - Interest (all in UK) $ 250
Line 21 - foreign earned income exclusion ($30,000)
gives a total income on line 22 of $ 250

Line 33 - student loan $ 1,000
gives a NEGATIVE adjusted gross income on line 37 of ($ 750)

Line 38 (transfer from line 37) ($ 750)
Line 40 asks for deduction. Using Standard deduction of $ 5,350
gives a NEGATIVE amount on line 41 of ($ 6,100)

Line 42 for single exemption: $ 3,400
therefore line 43 taxable income gives $ 0

Is the above situation correct? In other words - am i applying the right amount for Standard Deduction or should I perhaps have altered it? Is it ok to have negative numbers in lines 38 and 41?

As taxable income on line 43 is 0, I'd therefore fill in $ 0 on lines 44 and 45 as well and no further credits would need to be applied (eg foreign tax credit)

Is my approach correct, or where are the flaws if I missed a step?

Many thanks.


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Re: Negative AGI and Standard Deduction
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2008, 10:36:22 PM »
You have got the right answer - possibly - but:

1. You have double-dipped for both the foreign earned income exclusion & the adjustment.  This is a common mistake but makes zero difference to the bottom line.

2. You could file an 1116 to give foreign tax credit carryover for the next 10 years on the UK bank interest withheld on the bank interest.

3. There is a big IRS refund possible if you re-worked the numbers differently...


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Re: Negative AGI and Standard Deduction
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2008, 09:29:26 AM »
Guya is hinting you might want to PM him for how to get the refund...
Liz Z i t z o w, EA
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