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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2008, 11:46:37 PM »
When I looked into this years ago, the process of making it street legal in the UK was neither cheap not simple. I was recommended not to do it with a car that wasn't something very special.

It appears that all we would have to do is tilt the headlights and do a few things to the mirrors. Not too expensive, and pretty easy!  :)


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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2008, 05:55:34 AM »
A lot of the military members that get stationed in the UK bring their american cars and don't seem to have too many problems.  Yes you do need to put the stickers on your headlights to adjust them and you also have to add a back light and there are several other adjustments. 
But the biggest warning I can give you is about placing things to ship in your car if you do bring one over.  There is alot of theft of items from cars when shipping this way.  You really need to do a very detailed inventory and get insurance to cover any theft.  When shipping our cars to and from Germany and Guam while in the military, we were only allowed to keep essentials in our autos (spare tire, jack, hubcaps, and mats).  Even those at times would go missing.  So I'm just saying be very careful what you ship in your car!  good luck


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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2008, 09:24:17 AM »
I work in a very EU-non-UK populated institute and we have several European-drive cars in our car park.  They seem to manage just fine and the only annoyance is if I get behind one of them to get into the car park, they have to get out and walk all the way around the car to swipe their pass. 

I'm also seeing a lot more cars from Poland in our city so it is definitely not an unusual thing to see a left-hand drive. 
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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2008, 01:36:04 PM »

But the biggest warning I can give you is about placing things to ship in your car if you do bring one over.  There is alot of theft of items from cars when shipping this way.  You really need to do a very detailed inventory and get insurance to cover any theft.  ... So I'm just saying be very careful what you ship in your car! 

We were thinking about taking our bikes apart and locking them in - what do you think about that? Still too risky?


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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2008, 01:38:53 PM »
I work in a very EU-non-UK populated institute and we have several European-drive cars in our car park.  They seem to manage just fine and the only annoyance is if I get behind one of them to get into the car park, they have to get out and walk all the way around the car to swipe their pass. 

I'm also seeing a lot more cars from Poland in our city so it is definitely not an unusual thing to see a left-hand drive. 

Well if they can manage it, so can I!  ;D I'm glad to hear that it's not such an unusual thing.


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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2008, 08:46:49 PM »
Keep in mind that I'm British so I grew up driving here, but I've had American cars in this country for years, both before I lived in the U.S. and through to today.   

A lot of people seem to think that having a left-hand drive car in Britain is a problem, but I've never found it to be that big a deal, at least not in the places I've lived.   There is the odd time when it's harder to see around another vehicle to pass, but on some roads (sweeping left-hand curves especially) being on the left side of the car actually affords a better view, so it's swings and roundabouts in that respect.

We don't have much in the way of drive-thrus, toll booths, etc. in rural areas so that isn't really an issue.   The times I have to use a ticket machine at a city parking garage or such like are so infrequent that they're not an annoyance.  In the older vehicles with a front bench seat it's easy enough to just slide across to the passenger window anyway.  Split seating makes it a little more awkward, but if worst comes to the worst you can just get out and walk around.

Even overall vehicle size has never been that big a problem to me.  I've had things like the old Ford LTD station wagon, full-size '72 Pontiac sedan etc. and always been fine with them.  Driving small country lanes you might have to hold back at a wider spot for passing other cars a little more, but that's really about all.   Naturally it might be a little different for somebody living right in the middle of a congested city.

While you might have to adapt to driving with a passenger-eye view of the road, it really doesn't take long, and it's quite probably overriden by the fact you will be driving a car with which you're already familiar.

It appears that all we would have to do is tilt the headlights and do a few things to the mirrors. Not too expensive, and pretty easy!  :)

There are two rather different sets of formalities involved.  Imported vehicles less than 10 years old are required to undergo the SVA (Single Vehicle Approval) inspection, which I understand can be an awkward process.   As all my vehicles have been older, before SVA was introduced, and/or already in England, I do not have any firsthand experience of the SVA system.  I think Dennis (the Menace) has some experience of this.

The other issue you will have is the general, annual MoT inspection which is required of all cars over 3 years old here, and which covers many of the legal requirements listed in the Construction & Use Regulations for vehicles. 

The main bone of contention on American cars is usually lights.  As you say, headlights will need to be replaced or converted for left-hand driving to avoid dazzling oncoming traffic.  That's an essential.

All vehicles made for the U.K. market have been required to have amber turn signals front and rear since 1965, so that's what the C&U Regulations and the MoT inspection manuals say.   Some inspectors are willing to bend those rules a little when it's a single, private import, but many will raise an objection if you have red rear turn signals on a later car (or they might let it go on, say, a 1968 car, but not on a 1985 car).  I've seen references in the past to some rules which are actually supposed to exempt personal imports from these requirements, but have never been able to track them down, so you've very much at the mercy of the MoT man.    It's worth asking around to find a "good" one if you want to keep all your lighting as original as possible.

In a similar fashion, although the C&U Regs. demanded amber front signals here after a certain date, they still specify that parking lights should be white, so again if you get a strict inspector he might object to amber parking lights on the front.  In my experience they're not quite so picky on that one.

Vehicles from 1980 onward are also required to have at least one rear fog light.

The MoT inspector I use a few miles from here is one of the "good" guys, and is happy to overlook trivial things like that on private imports (e.g. he passes my '87 Bronco II despite the red rear signals, amber parking lights, and no rear fog light).  He takes the view that "It was built that way, everything works, so it passes."  Unfortunately, others are what we call the Jobsworth type: "My book says....." 








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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2008, 09:30:01 PM »
I'm guessing that paying the shipping is cheaper that the loss you would incur if you were to sell it during the economic slowdown in the US.
I was on (mind blank) UK shopping site and I was suprised at the number of "yanks" (a term used to describe american cars) that were for sale. I think maybe a lot of brits buy the cars in the states, because they seem so cheap, and ship them back to the UK.
My "two bits" is don't do it unless you have loads of money because the costs of everything is so out of site in the UK.
My mother found a left hand drive Hillman Minx in the states and shipped it back to the UK and saved a lot of money.
I find that used cars in the UK are very cheap. New cars are very expensive. Don't ask me to explain myself :P


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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2008, 09:42:03 PM »
Paul: Thanks so much for your very detailed post. It has really helped!   

Is the SVA something that we do on the US side, then? I've got to do some research here - I don't know anything about this!  :)


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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2008, 09:54:31 PM »
Didn't Dennis!! from Slough import a car from the US?  I recall someone saying they used those long handled pincher/ clipper things to pass and receive things across the passenger seat.  Thought it was him....


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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2008, 09:58:51 PM »
THAT is hilarious!  ;D I am laughing out loud as I'm typing this, imagining using that pincher thing to pass something through the other window!

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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2008, 10:10:28 PM »
Didn't Dennis!! from Slough import a car from the US?

I'm sure he has, which I why I suggested he can probably offer experience of the SVA. 

Is the SVA something that we do on the US side, then?

No, it's an inspection carried out here, just the once, to allow you to register a less-than-10-year-old imported vehicle.   I know it's become horrendously complex, but as my interest is mostly in older vehicles I can't quote specifics offhand.  I've had enough arguments with picky MoT inspectors over regular MoT items!

Here's the Dept. for Transport's guide to the SVA process to get you started:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/importsapproval/thesinglevehicleapprovalscheme


For the general annual inspection which applies to all cars over 3 years old, you can read the full contents of the MoT tester's manual here:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual/contents.htm


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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2008, 10:19:14 PM »
Thanks once again, Paul. I'll check out the links.  :)


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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2008, 01:52:54 PM »
Hi Sevans,

I've just stumbled across this thread!

From the responses so far - I'd agree in so much that if your car is a normal 'bread and butter' type american car, it really isn't worth bringing it over. I'm 'slightly' skeptical at the £700 shipping charge - for that price I'd imagine it would be 'open' shipping, which means it won't be inside a container - result it that it will arrive extremely filthy and with the high chance of stone chips, dents etc. Find out for sure what that charge includes or doesnt include!  for reference, in 2004 we imported over a 2003 Ford F150 Harley Davidson Anniversary Edition truck, we took a chance at open shipping at luckily it only had a couple of light surface scratches and arrived with more dust and dirt on it than you'd think possible! and from memory it was around £1200.

You will need to pay for a SVA (Single Vehicle Approval) test once the car reaches here. It's NOT just sticking on headlamp beam deflectors and adjusting the mirrors!! the test itself I think is still priced at £250 + VAT (I think it's plus VAT) and you also may need to have engine enhancements to be able to run the higher grade of petrol we have here. Emissions will be tested, if it doesn't meet requirements, you will have to spend money to get parts fitted so it does, the 'smaller' things you mention are easier, amber turn indicators, a foglamp will need to be fitted, you may find headlamp beam deflectors won't be suitable for long term use and so factor in headlamp replacements with the correct geometry. Don't forget, getting it taxed, registered and insured will be needed, number plates too. These costs can add up a bit - insurance - look at adrianflux.co.uk as it's where we have the F150 insured through and are very accepting of USA vehicles.

Could I impose slightly and ask which car it is and year/model type?

long term, if it's a 'complete' USA brand car - servicing might be an issue - there are places dotted throughout the UK that will service USA cars, I don't know where you are - so you may find it bit of a drive to get to. Parts will be 'relatively' expensive if not carried by UK dealers

Practically - Yes! I have one of those pincher things! you do look like bit of a dork using it - but it's only for a few seconds! lean over grab the ticket or stick change in the fingers and give it to the toll cashier if needed! it's not hard to do !

For me, and has been discussed on the transport board here on UKY - driving a left hooker on UK roads has not been an issue for me at all - the F150 is quite large, and so long as you don't head off into narrow country lanes or width restricted roads it's relatively easy to drive around, you do get used to it i'd say fairly quickly.

As it's been a little while for me, I'm not 100% sure if import duty will be applicable or indeed VAT there are certain rules for each, you'll need to cross reference your car with the rules and see if they apply or not.

Lastly, as a suggestion, you could avoid the hassle and sell off your US car there, and once you land here, look through the classifieds and pickup a US car already here - it'd have had all the above done..

Any questions, let me know and I'll try answer as best I can!

Cheers, DtM! West London & Slough UK!



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Re: How easy it is to get used to driving a US car in the UK?
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2008, 04:34:31 PM »
So long as your engine is running reasonably well emissions aren't usually a problem as American requirements have generally been stricter than British for a good many years. 

For example, my Bronco just had its annual inspection a couple of weeks ago and as is typical for U.S. vehicles is well within the U.K. limits applicable to its age:  125 ppm for hydrocarbons (limit is 1200 ppm) and 0.4% for CO (limit 3.5%).   

That's unless the SVA imposes a tighter requirement than the normal MoT inspection limits, which I suppose it could do.  Looking at the list of SVA items on the DfT website, it does include things which are not part of the regular MoT and are not legal requirements here.   It seems crazy to include things like "anti-theft devices" which you are not even required to have by law, but that's the government for you!   [smiley=mad.gif]

I'd agree with Dennis about trying Adrian Flux for insurance.  I've had a number of policies for American vehicles here over the years and have always found the service good.  Many of the mainstream companies won't want to know you as soon as you mention an American model.
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