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65% of women are disordered eaters.
« on: April 27, 2008, 12:52:19 AM »
According to a Shape poll.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24295957/

Although I wonder when they were writing the part about how to stop it, did their collective irony meters burst into flames, or what?
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2008, 10:02:40 AM »
I think this article is just meant to make women (what happened to the men?) feel bad about themselves. If you watch your calorie intake and try to avoid unhealthy foods - you have something wrong with you. If you make exercising a priority - you have something wrong with you. If you've binged, you have something wrong with you.
 


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Re: 65% of women are disordered eaters.
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2008, 10:23:42 AM »
I don't even want to read the story because I'm sure I'll get irritated lol but like Professor said there's always something wrong no matter what you do.

My immediate thought was "the human race is collectively f*cked up...everyone has atleast ONE thing wrong with them"

I also agree that it's just an article to make woman feel bad about themselves...I know plenty of men who would fall under the catigory of having an eatting disorder...some dont eat so healthy, some are obsessed with exercise...

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Re: 65% of women are disordered eaters.
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2008, 11:17:35 AM »
Apparently I'm bilaterally disordered because I both love food and count calories.

Dang, I thought that made me normal.   ;)
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Re: 65% of women are disordered eaters.
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2008, 11:25:00 AM »
I think this article is just meant to make women (what happened to the men?) feel bad about themselves. If you watch your calorie intake and try to avoid unhealthy foods - you have something wrong with you. If you make exercising a priority - you have something wrong with you. If you've binged, you have something wrong with you.
 

I dunno if the format for the page was the same for everyone, but when I was reading it last night in the middle-right there was a box called "Health By The Numbers." Four out of six stories it linked to were about food and two specifically addressed dieting.

If so many women really are disordered eaters, gee I wonder who creates the atmosphere that drives them to it.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2008, 11:39:03 AM »
Hmmmm, very interesting.  Having suffered from eating disorders myself for most of my life, I didn't see any hypocrisy in this article, and I'm not surprised at all if 2/3 of American women have an issue with food.

I have suffered anorexia, bulimia and obesity between the ages of 12 and 34.  I am now about to turn 38, and have been free of food addiction/disorders for nearly 4 years.

The way I broke the cycle was to stop punishing and hating myself and my body and to feed myself properly.  This is why I felt the eating plan they linked to at the end of the article was not a diet, it was a philosophy about how to eat properly so that you can break the cycle of addiction and unhealthy attitudes to food. 

As Mort said, the links might change, so here is the specific link, to avoid any confusion:
http://www.self.com/health/articles/2007/08/0807simple

I agreed with the advice they gave in that article.  I found that taking the time to shop for myself and to cook proper/well balanced meals for myself at home helped my overall health, reduced my overeating, and made me feel I was important enough to myself to take care of myself properly. 

Rather than being in a vicious cycle of self-abuse and self-hatred, these new self-nurturing habits slowly built my self-respect and self-confidence.  But I can't take all the credit for the self-care, I was also cared for by my husband, who was a key factor to my getting well.  He does most of the cooking, which made me feel cared for and not overburdened by the responsibility of planning, shopping for and cooking meals.  The fact that I was in a healthy relationship with him, whereby he loved me for who I was, made me feel unpressured to be thin. 

Before I met my husband, I had already decided to follow a healthy eating plan, similar to the one on the link in the article, but I hadn't fully progressed to the stage where I could lose the excess weight I had gained.  My point is that it took me 2 years to change my eating habits, even though my logical self knew exactly what I needed to do (and thus in theory I could have changed my habits overnight, but instead it took me 2 years to do so).  This is why I shake my head when I read magazine articles about losing a stone in 7 days, etc. on a daily caloric level that is too low to be sustained.  I suppose the "slow fix" approach doesn't help to sell magazine articles, whereby they profile someone like myself who took 2 years of dedicated efforts to change my eating habits fundamentally.

What works for me to sustain my current weight (my BMI is between 20 and 21) is the "adequate protein" (not high protein) method of meal combining.  There are a few books that explain how to do this, including "Protein Power" and "The Zone" - both of which I can personally recommend.  It is a sustainable lifestyle and I do not suffer sugar cravings anymore, which is what caused my blood sugar peaks and dips, which led me to overeat in the past. 

The argument that one has a choice about overeating is not entirely accurate in my opinion, and probably tends to be said by someone who has never suffered the neurological effects of food addiction.  Yes I had a choice then just as I have a choice now, but back when I was messing with my blood sugar, my cravings were so compelling and my obsession so strong, that sheer willpower was not enough.  My willpower has not changed, the only change has been that I have fixed the root cause so I don't have these uncontrollable cravings anymore.  Rather than trying to manage the cravings, I manage the cause of the cravings, and that is what works for me.

I would be happier in a world whereby people with weight/eating issues were treated with compassion and understanding.  However, it is difficult to understand if one has not suffered similarly, or been close to someone who has suffered and understands why that person has suffered.  I hope my little testimony has made a difference to someone out there.
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Re: 65% of women are disordered eaters.
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2008, 11:56:29 AM »



What works for me to sustain my current weight (my BMI is between 20 and 21) is the "adequate protein" (not high protein) method of meal combining.  There are a few books that explain how to do this, including "Protein Power" and "The Zone" - both of which I can personally recommend.  It is a sustainable lifestyle and I do not suffer sugar cravings anymore, which is what caused my blood sugar peaks and dips, which led me to overeat in the past. 

I think the article implies that you think about your diet too much.

Also, there is the "slippery" slope assumption that if you watch your weight you are on the road to anorexia. There are other psychological and physiological factors that lead to anorexia - not everyone who diets is a potential anorectic.

ETA: This is from the article that I read (the link from the OP):

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Sixty-five percent of American women who responded to a national survey by SELF are disordered eaters. Eating habits that women think are normal — such as banishing carbs, skipping meals and, in some cases, even dieting itself — may actually be symptoms of the syndrome
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All of the habits listed below can be disordered.

A very strong fear of gaining 5 pounds
Following strict food rules
Dieting for more than three-quarters of your life
Use of diet pills or laxatives
Fasting or juice cleanses to lose weight
Overexercising
Cutting entire food groups from your diet, except for religious reasons
Eating the same “safe” foods every day
Extreme calorie restriction
Thinking about food more than 50 percent of the time     
Obsessive calorie counting
Intentionally skipping meals to lose weight     
Bingeing or vomiting     
Smoking for weight loss
Lying about how much you’ve eaten     
Weighing yourself daily, if it becomes obsessive. (See “Weight Debate.”)
Consistently overeating when you’re not hungry
Eating a lot of no- or low-calorie foods
Having concerns about your eating or weight that interfere with your life (e.g., you won’t see the doctor)
Considering foods to be good or bad
Visiting pro-anorexia or pro-bulimia Web sites
Adopting a vegetarian diet solely for weight loss

That's quite a big list.

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2008, 12:31:03 PM »
Professor Potts,

Yours is a very moving story and congratulations on your achievement. I'm sure it was a very difficult road.

I'm going to explain why I find the article ..let's just say contradictory though I bet your indulgence since I'm not 100% certain how to put it.

To me, disordered eating is more about your mental attitude than about what you actually eat. One can eat a perfectly healthy, balanced diet and still be a disordered eater. Most of the symptoms they describe are about rigidly controlling your intake, even if it's healthy as a result. So giving women yet another meal plan to follow does absolutely nothing to fix the underlying problem, as far as I see it.

The treatment shouldn't be about what and how one eats. It should be about adjusting one's attitude to how and what one eats, if I'm making myself clear. So parts addressing that I'm fine with. It's the parts basically talking about more meal mechanics that bug me. That just makes the problem worse, it seems to me: like setting the standards yet higher!

As I found out to my own grief recently, that you can change your diet, and you can even change your weight but unless the underlying mentality is changed as well, most of that is for naught.


And yea, the net they cast over the possible symptoms is too damn wide as well.


ETA, This is where the article pretty much lost me:

"Food addicts eat to soothe stress, deal with anger, even celebrate a happy event"


ETA2: Sorry, maybe this will clarify what I'm trying to say a little better but my point is very few women eat badly because they don't know how to eat well. Or think about food obsessively cause they don't know HOW they are supposed to feel about food. At least the women who replied to this survey. How do I know this? Cause they're Shape readers. The magazines tells them how to eat well probably like five times every issue. Suggesting yet another way to do it is hardly helpful. How do you fix a problem of focusing on food too much? By focusing on it some more?
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2008, 01:17:00 PM »
Professor Potts,

Yours is a very moving story and congratulations on your achievement. I'm sure it was a very difficult road.

Erm, that wasn't me.

And I agree with you on why the article is contradictory.


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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2008, 01:48:25 PM »
To me, disordered eating is more about your mental attitude than about what you actually eat.
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The treatment shouldn't be about what and how one eats. It should be about adjusting one's attitude to how and what one eats....  you can change your diet, and you can even change your weight but unless the underlying mentality is changed as well, most of that is for naught.

... Sorry, maybe this will clarify what I'm trying to say a little better but my point is very few women eat badly because they don't know how to eat well. Or think about food obsessively cause they don't know HOW they are supposed to feel about food.  At least the women who replied to this survey. How do I know this? Cause they're Shape readers. The magazines tells them how to eat well probably like five times every issue. Suggesting yet another way to do it is hardly helpful. How do you fix a problem of focusing on food too much? By focusing on it some more?

I agree with all of these points, Mort.  The article (as many such articles do) jumps from:
(A) Problem
directly to
(Z) Solution. 

What I said before was that I knew about (Z) Solution for a very long time, but couldn't put it into action because the real process is more like:
(A) Problem
(B-Y) Root cause analysis (there are a lot of sub-parts to this one too, which I won't belabour)
and THEN
(Z) Solution.

I still think the link to the other article I included above is an example of a balanced view of eating.  The magazine might help people a lot more by bridging the gap illustrated above by encouraging them to explore why they are doing what they are currently doing, and why they are thinking in a "disordered" manner.

My cynical view is that the magazine knows it has a high readership of "disordered" people and if the magazine helps cure people (or to find the kind of real help they need) at a root cause level, they will then sell fewer magazines.

I think the list of possible symptoms of disordered thinking isn't necessary out of line, based on my own experience of disordered thinking.  The key word they used with that list is "can" - that any of those symptoms can be indicative of disordered thinking, but they aren't necessarily so.  We should also consider what the term "disordered thinking" actually means.  I don't think they mean these are symptoms of an outright full scale eating disorder, but they are symptoms that indicate an imbalance of thinking - taking something to a self-destructive extreme, or adopting an imbalanced view that can become a slippery slope.

There is a lot of research explaining what happens to the brain when someone has an addiction of any kind (including all kinds of eating disorders), so I won't go on and on with examples here, but I would encourage anyone seeking a deeper understanding of this subject than the level that a typical women's magazine (containing inherent bias to sell said magazine) will provide to look into the scientific evidence.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2008, 02:08:54 PM »
Erm, that wasn't me.

And I agree with you on why the article is contradictory.



Yikes! Sorry, to you both! Blame it on a late night..yeah that'll do it. :)
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2008, 06:45:28 PM »
What makes them think that Shape readers are a representative sample of American women in general?  Of course 2/3 of the readers of a magazine dedicated to body image are disordered eaters.

That said, I did a quick google search and the "study" is cited more than once.  It doesn't make sense to me; it wasn't a random sample, it was a sample among women already actively searching for information in that subject area.


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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2008, 08:22:24 AM »

That said, I did a quick google search and the "study" is cited more than once.  It doesn't make sense to me; it wasn't a random sample, it was a sample among women already actively searching for information in that subject area.

Statistics are funny people.


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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 04:26:41 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2008, 07:46:06 PM »
Statistics are funny people.

If only.... ;)
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