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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2008, 04:54:00 PM »
It's as though they think driving is as dangerous as using guns or something, I guess the crazy Brit government doesn't allow it's citizens to be exposed to any real danger because of their "health and safety" crap so they just try to scare and price people out of driving.

Emm, actually driving can be more dangerous than guns.

In 2004, 29,569 deaths were caused by gunfire (USA)
            42,636 deaths were caused by traffic crashes (USA)

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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2008, 05:01:51 PM »
Please don't think I am being mean...I am not.  Just concerned for you and fellow road users and pedestrians.  Its a hard pill to swallow when someone seems a little loose minded about driving standards...

I am sure that almost everyone here knows of a family member or friend who has been involved in a car accident that has lead to some sort of injury or death and callus remarks on driving standards will rub them up the wrong way and they will jump at you....

Also I am sure the Americans here do not want to be labeled as bad drivers because thats your personal point of view.

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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2008, 05:33:15 PM »
Shuffling the steering like Mister Bean? Sitting bolt upright?
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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2008, 06:40:54 PM »
Attn. everyone:  Picture Cait's signature and move on.

Riiight.  Which part of this wasn't clear. Know a wind up when you see it, people.

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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2008, 09:38:11 PM »
While I'm finding taking driving lessons a bit weird again, I have very much appreciated them.  I, like everyone else, has bad habits,and its a nice refresher to get them beat back out of me.  Its helpful to drive slow, practice, and just get the experience, with someone telling me that I'm going through the roundabout wrong, etc.   

Several Americans that I've spoken to and described the nature of the UK driving test to have told me they wished the US driving test was similar - perhaps then, driving in the US wouldn't be so dangerous and there would be fewer accidents.


Agreed!!!

FWIW, I found the hazard perception part of the test very easy, having been an experienced driver, but I am not sure how you would do as a learner... but I sucked at knowing UK road signs- even now as I drive around, I'm like, what in the world does that mean???

You know what? I'm sensing a dislike with your actual driving instructor, rather than UK driving, so why don't you try and seek an alternative driving instructor?
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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2008, 12:35:12 AM »
I can sorta understand where Neill is coming from. I felt very discouraged at driving first, but mainly because I had to unlearn everything I knew because driving here is nothing like driving in the states and yes, the instructors teach you the proper way to drive, but after the test most people pick up bad habits. It is easy to fail the test, and I do agree that after failing 3 times for silly reasons (well I thought so anyway lol, twice I failed for stalling the car twice in a row and the other time I failed because I turned a left corner a bit too wide) but the 4th time I had a decent examiner who said I should have passed first time ??? The cost is a lot, but for me it was worth it. I love driving in the UK and most of the time I feel really safe driving here (unlike downtown Phoenix which was a zoo!). I liked learning to use a manual car too, which was a difficult aspect, and navigating roundabouts. And from the theory test, I can honestly say it saved my life. On my theory test was a question about breaking on ice and one time my car slid on ice and I couldn't break and I actually almost crashed. being from Arizona, I wasn't used to driving on ice, but I remembered from the theory test not to slam on brakes on an icy road and it probably did save my life lol. So I am all for the theory test. Hazard perception I'm unsure if I got anything out of it or not...but the £28 was a lot and the £40 practical was a lot too...hmmm...but I say, don't compare driving here to USA driving and kick the bad habits (I too used to cross the wheel when I turned it, but the push-pull method is great). I dont think many people say "mirrors-signal-maneovure" when they drive, but checking the mirrors is really important and that is one good habit I picked up. Good luck to you driving!


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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2008, 10:15:04 AM »
While some of Neil's comments might come across as being enthusiastically critical, I think there are a lot of fundamental truths in many of the things he says.

The "proper" British method of driving as still taught by many instructors is ridiculously fussy and pedantic.  Some of the things are also completely unnecessary for the test now.  For example, I have long criticized the insistence on excessive use of the parking brake, pulling it on every time you stop at a light for more than a couple of seconds.   I have it on good authority from an ex-examiner that this has not been necessary for the test for many years, and so long as you maintain control of the car (e.g. not rolling back before pulling away), you will not be marked down for not using the parking brake at every stop. 

So why are instructors and other groups pushing the "correct" driving technique still promoting it?   Maybe tradition, or maybe because they feel that it's best for learners to use that method to be certain of avoiding small movements and possible minor faults during the test.    That may have some merit, but tutors of whatever type should recognize that not everybody sitting a U.K. driving test is a new driver.

On mirrors, obviously it's a good idea to be aware of what's around you at all times, but there are a few standard phrases which crop up in learning to drive here which always seem a little odd, such as when approaching a junction and you'll hear "Check your mirror to be sure that it's safe to stop."    And what if you deem it unsafe to stop?  Are you supposed to blast through into the path of the cross traffic then?   ::)    Yes, we know the gist of what's meant, but it's poorly phrased, don't you think?

As for prices, like everything else the government does here, they have become a rip off.       Neil, I don't know if you've scanned through some of the other driving threads here, but if so you'll know that the hazard perception and theory tests and their associated extra fees were only introduced a few years ago anyway.   Millions of us (I'm British) took our tests back when it was just a simple half-hour drive followed by half a dozen Highway Code questions (posed verbally by the examiner while still sitting in the car), yet we're still considered qualified to continue driving without undergoing all the new range of tests.   

The way the system treats experienced drivers from the U.S. (and some other countries) as though they were complete novices for test purposes is something which I feel needs to be addressed (especially considering that due to EU rules we are forced to simply swap licenses for people from many other countries anyway).

Oh, and in case you hadn't heard, it's now in the news that ministers are pushing to make learning to drive even more complicated and expensive, with an extra range of tests for certain things and possibly even a mandatory minimum number of hours professional tuition before being allowed to take the test (Hmmm....  That couldn't possibly be anything to do with getting more money, could it?  :P ). 

What provisions or exemptions, if any, from any such rules might be made for already licensed drivers remains to be seen. 
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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2008, 10:43:59 AM »
Wow, crazy stuff, thanks for taking the time to make that long post buddy :) You would have thought that the government would have realised that millions of people who take the test drop all of the pointless stuff straight afterwards and would realise that they are still safe driving and then made appropiate alterations to the test. I can't imagine Americans standing for something like this >:( Sometimes in Britain I feel that everyone who had the motivation to question the government got up and started America :D I've got another question as well, how the hell can 17 year old kids afford these expensive lessons and expensive tests? I feel sorry for the youth of this country having to put up with all of this crazy stuff, I would feel bad as an American to be able to bypass the tests now I realise that kids have to go through this, unless they are subsidised or something like that, maybe? Your posts have made me feel a lot better thanks folks ;)


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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2008, 10:44:58 AM »
As others have said, in many ways I have been happy to have to go through the theory and practical (although I still have to take that one) tests, as I feel it has made me a better driver. For me, driving over here is a lot different than driving in the US. And I'm a veteran NYC driver, so it's not that I'm just timid or unexperienced. Generally people drive faster over here (60 down a narrow country lane feels fast for me!), and I find that ubiquitous roundabouts require greater concentration than traffic lights in the US do. So I am happy to have to do the extra practice to practice these skills.

I do find that generally people over here are better drivers, so I find that the high standards on the test are a good thing. However, what really scares/bothers me is that those coming from other EU countries don't even have to take the theory test to swap their licenses. The fact that there is a large number of people on the road, who may not even know what the signs mean (and they are not all intuitive) is very frightening. I realize there is very little that can be done about this, but it really bothers me.
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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2008, 10:55:52 AM »
Kate_Mate, be thankful you don't have to drive on the Inverness roundabouts-  there are people driving around here who passed their tests in the small islands and remote highland places on single track roads and then get here and don't even know where to begin!

But yeah, honestly, I think there needs to be a middle ground- such as everyone needing to say pass the theory test questions part to exchange licenses (EU and us Americans) but that we shoudn't have to learn how to drive again...   
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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2008, 11:10:11 AM »
how the hell can 17 year old kids afford these expensive lessons and expensive tests? I feel sorry for the youth of this country having to put up with all of this crazy stuff

I feel sorry for them too.  It seems to have become ridiculously expensive for youngsters starting out, not just if they want professional lessons but also when it comes to things like insurance.   When you read of teenagers in certain areas saving up a few hundred pounds to buy their first cheap car -- a tiny one at that -- and then getting hit with insurance quotes for their first year of £2000 plus, you have to wonder about the sanity of the whole system.   

If certain groups get their way and compulsory professional lessons are forced on learners too (as is already the case in some European countries), it will then hit them even harder when they might have family with whom they could learn to drive perfectly well.

(and they are not all intuitive)

That's something I've long thought to be the case.  In fact some of the signs are just plain illogical and inconsistent.   Blame the Warboys committee in the 1960s which was formed to look into modernizing British road signs and which decided to change to European-style signage. 

One of the options they considered and rejected was to adopt American-style signage, with some slight variations.  Personally, I think that would have been a much better choice.

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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2008, 11:48:14 AM »
Am I the only one who thinks this is a troll post?


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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2008, 09:04:07 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks this is a troll post?

No, I think it is as well.  Especially with comments like "I can't imagine Americans standing for something like this".

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Re: Silly driving test
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2008, 09:05:59 PM »
Am I the only one who thinks this is a troll post?
I think it was quite obvious from the first post!


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