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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #315 on: August 19, 2008, 09:07:29 AM »
When I was a child (in southern England) I always knew my grandparents as grandma and grandad. 

Mine were Grandma and Grandad (affectionately shortened to Grand) in SW Pembrokeshire. But we've never been particularly Welsh in that part of the country, so no Nan for us!
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« Reply #316 on: August 19, 2008, 09:28:03 AM »
I think it's convenient when you have 2 living grandmothers - one becomes "grandma" in the US or "gran" in the UK, and the other "nana"- which I've heard used in both countries.
 

Agreed!! I am glad our DD has a Nan/ Nana  and Granddad in the UK  and Nonna and Nonno  in the U.S.  No confusions!
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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #317 on: August 19, 2008, 12:11:06 PM »
Oh my gosh... you sound just like me!!  Before I moved people were always asking when I was moving to London, was my husband in London at the moment, etc. and it drove me crazy!!!  We are 400 miles away from London!  So I always had to gently remind them that I would be closer to Scotland than to London, etc... but I would always complain about this to DH... London is not all of England, you know!   :P
I even got that occasionally when I was living in Belfast! ::)


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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #318 on: August 19, 2008, 04:33:29 PM »
Since at least 1949, the Chinese have said they want it pronounced Beijing (the j as in join, John, Jim etc) but the BBC seem to allow some of their announcers to say Beizhing, the zh as in Dr Zhivago.

But why are the BBC announcers trying to say it the Chinese way in the first place, when Peking has been the accepted Anglicized name for so long?

Oh yeah, it really bugs me when people say that.....just kidding--I have no idea what that even means!  :D

The connectors on Ethernet cables are not RJ45 and never have been.  RJ45 is something quite different.  Unfortunately, this misuse has become so widespread that even computer equipment suppliers have fallen into the trap.  Shame on them -- They should know better. 
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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #319 on: August 19, 2008, 05:10:33 PM »
But why are the BBC announcers trying to say it the Chinese way in the first place, when Peking has been the accepted Anglicized name for so long?

It's this thing called the "modern world", Paul, and I am afraid it isn't going to go away.

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The connectors on Ethernet cables are not RJ45 and never have been.

Indeed. They are 8P8C (Eight position, eight contact) connectors.

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RJ45 is something quite different.

Yes. The RJ45 standard specifies both the mechanical interface and a different wiring scheme than T568A and B

It's a bit like the way the word "decimate" which used to mean "reduce by one tenth" has come to mean "severely damage".

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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #320 on: August 19, 2008, 05:33:41 PM »
But why are the BBC announcers trying to say it the Chinese way in the first place, when Peking has been the accepted Anglicized name for so long?


Actually, there is more to it than that.

I have recently read 'East and West' by Chris Patten, last governor of HK, and it is quite illuminating.  He staunchly refuses to use the Chinese name throughout the book, referring to the capital as 'Peking'.  It seems that at some point the Chinese decided to throw their weight around and insist on their new words and spellings (the Pinyin romanization) to be used, and everyone (well, nearly) went along with it.  Hence Mao Tse Tung becoming Mao Zedong, and the English 'Peking' changed to 'Beijing'.  'Peking' uses an older Mandarin sound which is not in common usage in China (outside of Taiwan) anymore.

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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #321 on: August 19, 2008, 05:40:02 PM »
'Peking' uses an older Mandarin sound which is not in common usage in China (outside of Taiwan) anymore.

So "Peking" is like Chinese people saying "Londinium", then.


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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #322 on: August 19, 2008, 05:51:20 PM »
It has been called Beijing in the US for ages.


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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #323 on: August 19, 2008, 05:56:36 PM »
So "Peking" is like Chinese people saying "Londinium", then.


Hehehe!  Yeah, good analogy!


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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #324 on: August 19, 2008, 06:02:31 PM »
So if the BBC announcers are trying to keep up with the latest Chinese pronunciation, why aren't they also saying /Pa-ree/ and /Mosk-va/ instead of Paris and Moscow?

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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #325 on: August 19, 2008, 06:52:32 PM »
I don't mind Nan / Nanna that much, though I don't think I ever heard it used in the US.  I have also noticed the use of Grand-dad in the UK which I didn't  hear as much in the US.  I'd say Grand-Pop was more common in the US.



My cousins (we're all Californians) always called our grandmother "Nana".  Annoyed the heck out of me.  She was always Grandma, and I thought it sounded too much like they were calling her fruit.  So I guess there's even some variation within families. 
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Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #326 on: August 19, 2008, 07:56:13 PM »
My bad, that always gets me, not annoyed but puzzled my bad what ?
its a far better thing i do than i have ever done


Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #327 on: August 19, 2008, 08:04:00 PM »
So if the BBC announcers are trying to keep up with the latest Chinese pronunciation, why aren't they also saying /Pa-ree/ and /Mosk-va/ instead of Paris and Moscow?

There's no hard and fast rule - some foreign places have had "anglicised" names for centuries - some are both written and pronounced differently by locals and Brits - e.g.  Cleves / Kleve, Agincourt / Azincourt, Brussels / Brussel - Bruxelles, Cologne / Köln, Genoa / Genova, Lisbon / Lisboa, Napoli / Naples, Rome / Roma, Trent / Trento, Venice / Venezia, Florence / Firenze etc.

Some are written the same but pronounced differently - Paris, Rheims. (Can't think of any more right now, there must be plenty.)

Some are pronounced the same but written differently - again off the top of my head,  Marseilles / Marseille, Lyons / Lyon. These two are fading a bit these days.

It goes the other way too: If we cling to anglicised names we can hardly call those French people wrong who talk and write of Cantorbéry (The Spanish call it that too), Douvres, Londres and Edimbourg.

I think that one influencing factor is that many more British people travel abroad nowadays and have direct contact with the natives of foreign countries than used to be the case, and many more learn foreign languages and are therefore more exposed to the need to make a choice of what to say. Preference and common sense should go hand in hand here. Certainly you may not get very far if you insist on saying "Venice" at an Italian railway ticket office, especially outside the tourist zones.


Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #328 on: August 19, 2008, 08:16:56 PM »
My bad, that always gets me, not annoyed but puzzled my bad what ?

oh yes... 'my bad' annoys me big style.
Thankfully i only ever hear it on US tv programmes, which i dont watch very often, but... UGH!!! 
When did people start saying this, and more importantly, when will it STOP?!


Re: The most annoying expressions...
« Reply #329 on: August 19, 2008, 08:26:12 PM »
Aside from "awesome" and "sucks", a big hate of mine is "off of", which is just plain illiterate.


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