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FA Cup Final
« on: May 17, 2004, 12:15:30 AM »
If Millwall win the FA Cup it will be an amazing "underdog" triumph but is it one that English football can afford?

Manchester United fans travel regularly to Europe with hardly any trouble. Would the same be true for Millwall "supporters"?

Maybe it is something that we will not have to worry about but with the Euro Championships coming up over the summer the hooligan issue could become prominent again.

Let's just hope for an exciting game with proper behavior on and off the pitch as a fitting climax to the season.
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2004, 01:31:53 AM »
If Millwall win the FA Cup it will be an amazing "underdog" triumph but is it one that English football can afford?

Don't we just love an underdog?  And I'm a bit partial to Dennis Wise myself -- him being a good ole' Chelsea boy.

But seriously, I hold the same reservations as you regarding Millwall in Europe.  Just two short years ago there was a two-hour riot after they lost the play-offs to Birmingham.  Loads of police hurt, tons of damage, burnt out cars.  This doesn't belong in football and one has to wonder if their fans (or hooligan following) have learned their lesson.  It's also rather sad that Millwall's 'normal' fans get tarred with the same brush as their hooligan element.
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2004, 02:11:23 AM »
I agree. In fact, as I have always argued the hooligans are not supporters at all. They undermine the game and have an agenda based on no rules and no fair play.

 
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2004, 09:02:19 AM »
FA Cup aside, are you excited that you will be back in England for the tail end of Euro 2004?
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2004, 02:05:19 PM »
He's at work but I can tell you he is beside himself.... that and some other event that's going on.  I'm sure he will type somthing tonight.   :P
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2004, 02:29:01 AM »
I just hope that England can survive in the competition until I arrive back home :).
They are in a tough group with favorites France but I am quite confident that if they play their best they can progress.
I just worry about the ill-fated left side of midfiled and the other weak points: the central defence sans Ferdinand; goalkeeper (sometimes suspect under pressure); and support to Michael Owen up front.
Still, no team is perfect and anything can happen which is what makes sport exciting.
I mean who would have predicted that France would go out of the World Cup in the group stage without scoring a goal?
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2004, 09:25:11 AM »
I just hope that England can survive in the competition until I arrive back home :).

Okay, this is where the gobby American solves England's football problems so that Miles can see his country play ... Eriksson take notes!   ;)

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I just worry about the ill-fated left side of midfiled

As would most of your compatriots.  I think it's time that Sven took a slightly more unorthodox approach.  He's played a host of mid-fielders -- who are generally playing out of position -- on the left side.  Sadly, other than one World Cup game where Owen Hargreaves played very well on the left, it's still a glaring problem of the English game.

Solution: Ashley Cole/Wayne Bridge combination on the left.  Both are good at getting forward and since Sven has no qualms with playing people out of position, why not take one of these natural left-siders and play one of them in mid-field.  It should help bring width to the game and prevent the need for the narrow diamond shape.

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the central defence sans Ferdinand

The central defence should get on quite well, provided that Terry and Campbell are fit.  Terry has been a rock for Chelsea (taking over Desailly's title of Rock -- no mean feat, I might add) for the last two seasons.  However, Terry and Campbell need time to work together to build a partnership.

Solution:  Terry/Campbell.  Eriksson, quit playing musical central defenders!

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goalkeeper (sometimes suspect under pressure)

Good ole' Calamity James!  He is an accident waiting to happen.  Sadly, I've not watched enough of Paul Robinson this year to have a real opinion on whether he could replace James.  Note to grassroots football: get working on those keepers -- England needs them!

Solution:  Strong defence (see central defender solution), and hope and pray that nothing comes down to penalties.

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and support to Michael Owen up front

Given the left-sided midfield solution is in place, there's little reason why Owen shouldn't get the necessary service, depending upon whether Eriksson plays a more defensive or attack-minded mid-field.  That being said, I think that England rely a little too heavily on Owen for goals and sadly, he goes from periods of absolute brilliance to couldn't hit a cow's ar*e with a banjo with regular frequency.

Heskey shouldn't even be in the team, much less on the pitch.  'Nuf said on that subject.

Between the remaining strikers -- Vassell and Rooney -- they are much of a muchness.  Yes, Rooney is football's golden boy, but there seems little to separate Vassell and Rooney in goals scored this season, 6 and 8 respectively (League only).  Also, I worry about Rooney's temperament.  The last thing you need is to be down a man playing a team like France because Rooney got a little to impetuous.

Solution: Use Owen provided that he's not going through a cow/banjo stage.  If he is, have the guts to pull him off.  If needs be, consider using Scholes or Lampard to sit behind Owen, almost as a second striker.  Play Vassell and Rooney as needed, keep a close eye on the latter's temperament.

Misc suggestions:  Keep Joe Cole and Scott Parker off the pitch unless you absolutely, positively have no other choice!

So there you have it ... the gobby American's solutions.  I really do hope they are still in the competition when you finally make it over.  After all, Vnice should know what it's like to be a football widow straight off the bat!  Start out as you mean to go on.  ;)

Me ... I'm just looking forward to a summer feast of footie.  See, the good thing about being a from a country where football doesn't even register on the national radar is that you have no natural leanings to one team or the other.  Whilst I do watch all the England games and cheer for them, I really enjoy watching the Dutch (when they are on their game, they are fascinating).  I'm also partial to the Portuguese -- in Euro 2000 they were brilliant, but pitiful in the World Cup.  Sadly, my favourite team didn't make it this year -- the Irish!  They don't seem to know when they are beaten, which many times leads to them winning!

So how many more days until Euro 2004 starts?  :)
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2004, 01:58:54 PM »
A very good analysis of the whole situation- you could have a future in coaching/management.

Mostly I agree with what you say. I actually think James would be a great penalty-stopper. His problem is positioning and poor judgment on crosses.

Terry and Ashley Cole have improved dramatically over the last couple of seasons and should be an England regulars. I feel that Campbell has lost a little but benefits from playing in such a good team as Arsenal where, let's be frank, the ball is most often in the opponents half of the pitch!
Still, he is far better than Barry and Southgate etc. Lack of depth in that position where players often pick up cards or injuries in tournament play is my concern.

Owen again is injury-prone and that usually, though not always, explains his cow/banjo spells. I think that has also affected his confidence on occasion especially from the spot. That being said, on the plus side his telepathic relationship with Gerrard can create goals out of nowhere such as against Arsenal and Newcastle recently.

Both he and Scholes are short and we do need some heading ability up front. No Mr. Heskey not you!! The stats show that a large percentage of golas have a header somewhere in the build-up. That being said we msut generally play on the floor with quick, incisive passing and use pace and guile against these classy defences.

Beckham could be the key. Being with the English lads after a traumatic first season at pressure-cooker Real Madrid could be just what he needs to express himself. Let's hope he lifts the trophy at the end of it all!!   
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2004, 12:00:52 AM »
Hey, Miles, hubby and were discussing Millwall the other day, and hubs says that regardless of whether they win the FA Cup, they still will get a place in Europe.  Something about the fact that Man U are already there, so therefore Millwall get a place by default even if they lose.
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2004, 01:21:11 PM »
Ah yes that is correct.
Man Utd will be in Champions League through the qualifying stages.
Unfortunately that means Millwall will probably just be happy to enjoy the atmosphere and Man Utd will be desperate to have something to show for the season- they have not won a domestic cup for some years now.
Well we will see soon enough.
Prediction: Man Utd 3-1 winners.
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2004, 02:32:12 PM »
Prediction: 2-1 Man U.  I really hope ole' Wisey shows some of the character we used to see from him at Chelsea.  My goodness was he a wind-up merchant.
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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2004, 04:42:00 PM »
Can someone let me know how Man U did-----so I can know if it is safe to phone my DF or not  ;)


Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2004, 04:44:59 PM »
OK, so how is the game going?  My hubby is having his stag do right now and I know they are watching!  I'm a Man U fan, Richard is not, but I know someone on the team, so I am biased.


Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2004, 05:01:43 PM »
Man U's ahead 3-0 with just minutes to play.


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Re: FA Cup Final
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2004, 05:12:03 PM »
Can someone let me know how Man U did-----so I can know if it is safe to phone my DF or not  ;)

Boy do I know that feeling. ;)


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