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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2008, 09:38:57 AM »
Here's the average house prices by county, (just click on the county you are interested in and it will list av prices for detatched, semi, terraced etc.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in_depth/uk_house_prices/counties/html/counties.stm?d  The figures seem about right for my county.


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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2008, 11:39:07 PM »
What part of the UK are you looking at?

Just to add to the conversation, how would ~20,000 quid fare (after taxes) in Oban, Scotland for a single person. Oban is rather touristy in the summer, but still relatively small town (population of ~12,000)?
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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2008, 12:02:11 AM »
This is a slight tangent but there's been something in the news recently about some politicians, I think it may have been some Tories, who said that people in the North should moved down South to London because work is just not available up North and moving South would mean they'd be much better off economically.  The implication is that these Northern towns were becoming job wastelands and that if they moved to London they'd have much better jobs (or have a job at all!) and a much better lifestyle - I assume wouldn't be claiming benefits.

I can't recall who exactly said it and they were completely rubbished when this got out in the media.

In reality it's not as black and white as this, of course.  Many say that living in towns and cities in the North can be much cheaper for cost of living.  But that implies that a good job in your field can be found there.  On the other hand, London is the economic powerhouse of the UK so in many different industries there are more likely to be many more available jobs.  But the cost of living will be considerably higher and buying or renting can be astronomically more.  I suppose you're paying for job stability and the access that London provides to transport, culture, etc.

So a job, say, in Newcastle might pay £25K but could literally be £45 - 50K in London in certain instances.  On the other hand, government jobs often have a London weighting so in Newcastle you might get, for example, a nursing job for £22K, but in London the rate for that same job would be the same but you might get, I don't know, £3K extra London Weighting, not a huge difference!

Like anything, how well you survive depends on what debts you have, what your lifestyle is, transportation, how nice or dodgy the area is, so many factors.

You might want to start somewhere like www.rightmove.com to look at properties for rent or for sale in the area you're interested in, that most likely will be your biggest monthly expense.
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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2008, 08:22:06 AM »
I know some people - not a huge amount, but more than I would have expected - who live up north and work down south. They rent flats down south where they work and only come up north to live with their families on weekends.

I also personally know many more self-employed people and people who earn a living by taking in lodgers here in the north than I ever knew in the US (New York City).

I had to start working in a completely new industry - and take the pay cut which comes from starting all over again at entry level - when I moved to York because almost all the jobs in my old industry were centred around London.

Also, because there are not that many large companies located in the north, these companies can take the piss in terms of wages because workers who don't want to commute very far don't have anywhere else to go.
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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2008, 09:17:07 AM »
This is a slight tangent but there's been something in the news recently about some politicians, I think it may have been some Tories, who said that people in the North should moved down South to London because work is just not available up North and moving South would mean they'd be much better off economically.

...I can't recall who exactly said it and they were completely rubbished when this got out in the media.

Yes, the report was generally acknowledged as pretty much rubbish, in which the Tories were somehow trying to drum up more Northern votes - but this seems a pretty bizarre way to go about doing it, by being really kind of patronising and insulting.  ???  If he's not careful, Cameron will get his ars* laughed out of town on a rail up here. :P

The salary would have to be extremely high indeed to ever tempt DH and me to move closer to London.  But I don't think the report was talking about Leeds per se, nor about other prosperous northern cities such as Manchester and Newcastle.
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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2008, 04:58:13 PM »
The report was written by 'Policy Exchange', an independent think-tank, and has been strongly criticised by the Cameron and the Tories as 'bizarre' and 'completely ridiculous'.

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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2008, 10:53:35 PM »
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The salary would have to be extremely high indeed to ever tempt DH and me to move closer to London.  But I don't think the report was talking about Leeds per se, nor about other prosperous northern cities such as Manchester and Newcastle.
I've heard the North East has the worst unemployment figures, I would imagine Newcastle is possibly the worst big city to find a good, well paying job in?  Just speculation on my part, maybe someone could tell me otherwise?

I have heard that the banking industry is pretty established in Leeds so could be a fair number of jobs going there?

When I first moved over in 2002/03 I looked around Manchester for IT jobs, absolutely nothing.  Then started looking more countrywide and virtually all of the jobs were London and Home Counties based.  I think there was one opportunity around Birmingham.  It was a shame because I like Manchester and we would have liked to have been near DW's brother and his wife and her grandmother who live up that way.  Even adverts for jobs were a good £15K - 20K less than that around London, not that any came to fruition.

Someone made a funny comment in the paper today.  Get rid of VAT, stamp duty and tax for residents of Northern cities and people would come flocking.

On a slightly more serious note, someone said that Parliament should move to Birmingham so that it was the political centre, more politicians wouldn't have to travel as far and not as many second homes would they require and it would spread out jobs more across the country.
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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2008, 11:20:49 PM »
I don't think that giving tax relief to those who settle in the North is a bad idea at all.

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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2008, 05:57:31 PM »
I have heard that the banking industry is pretty established in Leeds so could be a fair number of jobs going there?

Yes, Leeds supposedly has the second highest number of people working in financial and business services, after London.  I think it's doing alright for IT stuff as well - particularly internet-related things, and also for legal and media industries.  (and call centres  :P)
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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2008, 06:26:05 PM »
Can someone please tell me if 45,000 a year gross would be sufficient for 2 adults in Birmingham. We are not planning on buying a house, so we would be renting and apartment at 800 per month (we already checked and it would be possible to rent for that price). Thank you and I would appreciate any input


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Re: Household Income -- What is a liveable amount?
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2008, 03:42:21 AM »
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Can someone please tell me if 45,000 a year gross would be sufficient for 2 adults in Birmingham. We are not planning on buying a house, so we would be renting and apartment at 800 per month (we already checked and it would be possible to rent for that price). Thank you and I would appreciate any input

45,000 a year sounds like loads -- especially if you have no kids or cocaine addictions.
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