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Re: To be, or not to be
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2003, 10:24:01 PM »
Just a question, and I hope I can be forgiven for barging in...

I very much hope to become a British citizen.  My reasons for this have nothing to do with my feelings about America.  I love America, and I will always be an American.  There is no question (hoping for dual citizenship, but unsure of legal grounds there).

Anyway, my reasons for this are many.  The main one is my feelings about immigrants in America.  I live in South Florida.  I think immigration is great, it's wonderful to be able to offer people from different nationalities a new hope or an escape from terror.

BUT...

There are some here who are not grateful at this chance.  They get very upset when asked to show the slightest loyalty to America (where some have been longer than you have been in the UK).  We hear statements here like, "You have to understand, we don't WANT to be here...we want to go home."  They refuse to become citizens.  They refuse to contribute to charities that do not have to do with their "home".  Their anti-American statements can be quite offensive.

As I said, I think it's great for people to come here.  I welcome them.  But I think it's shameful to take advantage of another countries' welcome and refuse to give anything back.

I am not in any way implying that this is what you are doing by not becoming a UK citizen.  Please don't think I am.  Just try looking at it from the UK's angle, maybe that might help you with your decision.

I personally don't think that swearing loyalty to the UK or HM is necessarily renouncing your loyalty to the US.  As I said, I hope very much to become a UK citizen...I feel kind of like I owe that to a country willing to take me in.  But I plan to still celebrate Thanksgiving and the 4th of July  (although the latter perhaps quietly.)  I understand your feelings about the oath, and also about not wanting to take sides.  But for now, the two countries are allies, and hopefully always will be.  Swearing to support the country where your home is doesn't mean refusing to support the one where your heart is.  (At least I don't think so.)

If it ever comes down to battle, you have a tough decision to make...but the decision to fully be a member of a society and country in which you have lived for 35 years doesn't seem disloyal to me.

I hope maybe I've helped....it is of course up to you, and I hope you don't think me critical.


Re: To be, or not to be
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2003, 07:18:11 PM »
This isn't the first time that the issue of commitment or loyalty has come up.  I personally don't think that in order to show my commitment,  I need to become a citizen.  I think it's much more than that.  I've lived here for 13 years.  I pay taxes and national insurance.  I have an English husband and English children.  I own property, have a job and am a law abiding citizen.  I  send my children to English schools, use the NHS, support English charities.  I take British holidays, buy local produce, and recycle as much of my rubbish as I can.  I use public transportation, shop on the high street and walk as much as the weather and my laziness permits.  I can name cabinet members, past Blue Peter presenters and the members of the  England football team.  To me, this is enough commitment.   :)

On the issue of pledging an oath to the Queen, my main issue with this is that ordinary citizens, who were born here, do not EVER have to swear an oath to the Queen.   And I truly don't see  that it's fair that I should.   A harder thing for me to get past is probably the fact that my ancestors went to America in 1634.  They were Puritans who risked everything to get there, and I would feel a fierce disloyalty to them.  

These are just my opinions and how it applies to my own situation.  I know that others feel differently and that's your right.   I just feel that I don't need to become a citizen to show loyalty and commitment.  


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