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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2009, 04:21:28 PM »
They are a bit crappy now (especially as I don't eat meat anymore)...though love the alcoholic milkshakes.

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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2009, 04:42:50 PM »
The vast majority of the time independent restaurants can't compete with chains it is due to mismanagement, plain and simple.   It has little to do with food.

That's actually not true. It's the same reason WalMart drives independent shops out of business. When you're stocking 800 shops or restaurants, you can afford to offer lower prices than someone who's stocking only one. It has nothing to do with mismanagement.

Actually, that's exactly what it means.  It means some people do think it's good and prefer it.  Maybe not you or me, but enough people to make them highly successful.

Again, that's not true. People go to those places because they're quick and cheap - not because they're good. A small independent place which uses all fresh ingredients is better. There's no question.
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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2009, 04:54:52 PM »
I'm of mixed opinion on this. IME, non-chain AND chain restaurants in the UK were always a disappointment unless I could cough up the extra money and go to a good gastro pub or expensive restaurant. I found the mom and pop cafs good but uninspiring (i.e. the same menu be it in Northumbria or Devon with tiny regional differences). Maybe I just had bad luck, but dining out in the UK was always a crap shoot for me.

We enjoy cooking and dining in, but I love to eat out as well. IMO, chains offer me a good option now as they are almost always family friendly and I know what to expect.

But I do get tired of hearing that the US is just over-taken by chains. I live in a very populated semi-urban area now - in the US - and I would say that the restuarant scene is about 50-50 split between chains (from McDonalds to higher end ones) and independent placs (crab houses, taquieras, Italian joints, diners).
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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #63 on: January 13, 2009, 05:00:33 PM »
Again, that's not true. People go to those places because they're quick and cheap - not because they're good. A small independent place which uses all fresh ingredients is better. There's no question.

This reminds me of a discussion we were having in a Total Quality Management class...

Question posed: Would you consider McDonalds high quality?

Some would say, nope, food is vile, it makes them sick, etc,  

Others would say, its consistent, its cheap, its delivered at a fast pace, it fills the void, it meets exactly your customer requirements.  

From a business management point of view, McDonalds is a great operating model- they've got consistent suppliers, they can easily train associates,they've got relatively cheap labour, stores can be set up in one particular way and metrics can be consistent across stores, they are easily set up to do test markets, they move so much food they can easily see what isn't selling and they can stop that immediately, they can add in special food (i.e. American burgers or the McRib) and make a killing for a while. A good business model indeed.  They know their market segement and they're fantastic at it.

However, there are plenty of us who dislike fast food and chains.  We're not their market segement. They don't need us.  Would they like us to join? Yeap! But will they do okay without us? Yeap....

There are plenty of people out there who don't like real food...afraid of vegetables, dislike spicy things, don't like anything they didn't grow up with!  There are plenty of people who won't eat anything more than fish and chips or bacon butties and crisps everyday.  Or cheeseburgers and chicken nuggets.

I still think that most chains are abysmmal- usually because instead of sourcing locally produced beef and chicken and veg, they ship it all over the world because it gets supplied cheap and they can control their suppliers and its always consistent and plastic- plastic tomatoes and wilted lettuce... and that's how they can keep it cheap... :-\\\\

And they ruin any kind of individualistic culture...



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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #64 on: January 13, 2009, 05:05:19 PM »
I still think that most chains are abysmmal- usually because instead of sourcing locally produced beef and chicken and veg, they ship it all over the world because it gets supplied cheap and they can control their suppliers and its always consistent and plastic- plastic tomatoes and wilted lettuce... and that's how they can keep it cheap... :-\\\\

And they ruin any kind of individualistic culture...

I agree completely! And, to me, that makes them clearly not "high quality."

But I do get tired of hearing that the US is just over-taken by chains. I live in a very populated semi-urban area now - in the US - and I would say that the restuarant scene is about 50-50 split between chains (from McDonalds to higher end ones) and independent placs (crab houses, taquieras, Italian joints, diners).

See, I think 50/50 is shocking! That's far too many chains!!  :o :o
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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #65 on: January 13, 2009, 05:06:39 PM »
That's actually not true. It's the same reason WalMart drives independent shops out of business. When you're stocking 800 shops or restaurants, you can afford to offer lower prices than someone who's stocking only one. It has nothing to do with mismanagement.
This goes back to that pesky econ 101 class I mentioned.  What you are referring to is called economies of scale, which HELPS lead to greater efficiency, but only if managed properly in a greater overall business plan and logistics plan.  Walmart's number of stores is only half the reason they are so cheap.  They are so cheap because they have the most advanced logistics plan and business intelligents plan on earth, which they wouldn't have if they were run by the cook who didn't graduate high school.  Once again, it's about who is managing the company.

Again, that's not true. People go to those places because they're quick and cheap - not because they're good. A small independent place which uses all fresh ingredients is better. There's no question.
I hate to be the one to break this to you but many chains such as Chipotle and Baja Fresh primarily use fresh, and locally farmed ingredients(check the websites).  They use the exact same ingredients, but get them to the store cheaper, and run the store cheaper, so they can sell the product cheaper.

In addition, when someone goes to a place because it's quick and cheap, they STILL have other independently owned options that are also quick and cheap.  They choose where they go because they believe it's the best value for the money or they are willing to spend some extra money because they think the food is worth it.  But they ALWAYS have a choice, and they choose where they like.

I'm done now because this really isn't worth it.  Take that econ class and you may understand this afterwards.


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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #66 on: January 13, 2009, 05:08:23 PM »

What? Our TGI Friday doesn't do alcoholic milkshakes! I'd be there all the time if that were the case!

http://www.tgifridays.co.uk/Drinks-Menu?menu_type=D&menu_id=8&product_type_id=17&product_sub_type_id=21&store_id=19

These are basically alcoholic milkshakes.  Strawberry Shortcake and Mudslide are the best!

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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #67 on: January 13, 2009, 05:10:31 PM »
http://www.tgifridays.co.uk/Drinks-Menu?menu_type=D&menu_id=8&product_type_id=17&product_sub_type_id=21&store_id=19

These are basically alcoholic milkshakes.  Strawberry Shortcake and Mudslide are the best!

Vicky

I...I can't believe I'm about to say this but...I think I need to go to TGI Fridays.

Edited to add: If you want to go to an independent diner in London, Ed's Easy Diner serves GREAT alcoholic milkshakes.
http://www.edseasydiner.co.uk/
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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2009, 05:13:41 PM »
I'm done now because this really isn't worth it.  Take that econ class and you may understand this afterwards.

Wow. Could you possibly be more condescending?

You're right, though. It's really not worth it ... although before you make too many assumptions about people you don't know, I feel I should let you know that I have taken several economics classes at an Ivy League university.

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And, for just out of curiosity, what makes you think no cooks ever graduate from high school?
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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2009, 05:16:34 PM »
Strawberry Shortcake and Mudslide are the best!

I haven't had one at Friday's, but a real mudslide is not a milkshake. It's vodka, Kahlua and Bailey's and it's heaven!  :)
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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2009, 05:30:04 PM »
See, I think 50/50 is shocking! That's far too many chains!!  :o :o

I knew you'd say that! ;) :-*

Given where I live (fairly working class), I think that's good. And that's just my guesstimate! I think it gets better in the city. Baltimore has tons of independent dining options. IMO, it's the ethnic influence that is driving this to a certain degree. There are so many Latin and Asian places now. Yesterday we went to an International Supermarket that was unbelievable.

Anyhoo... I digress!
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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2009, 05:32:02 PM »
I knew you'd say that! ;) :-*

Hehehe! I think I lived in the country for too long! There are more chain places here than we had in Pembs, but not a huge number more.  :P ;D
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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2009, 05:40:10 PM »
speak of the devil!! we were just thinking about how they should have them here, they have the most gorgeous burritos! Dh was a convert from the first bite!
I know its really slated bringing the chains here, but as an ameribrit, I will always give it the thumbs up...unless you mention Jack-n-the box. hahaha!


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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2009, 05:44:05 PM »
Yeah, 50/50 is too many chains...

I lived in Miami suburb and.it was a big struggle to find the independent shop, restaurant, anything.  The sad part was, it could have been "anycity, anystate, usa", - I swear it looked just like Dayton, Ohio, minus the palm trees...
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Re: Chipotle expanding to London in 2009
« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2009, 06:33:25 PM »
Ok, I'm new here and this is my first post so maybe I'm way out of line here but....

I can't believe people on this thread whining and complaining about "American chains" opening in the UK.  How can this not be a good thing?  YOU may not care for Chipotle, or Subway, or whatever, but having food from home is going to make the transition easy for some people.  I can say personally that having Chipotle here when I got here would have made it much easier for me.  And even though I don't care for Subway I would never gripe about it being here because I'm sure it makes some people very happy.

If you don't like Chipotle(or even better yet the person who posted a negative message that didn't even try the food) then why do you feel the need to discourage others from trying it or being excited for it coming to London?

We've all made a huge transition in our lives by moving to the UK.  I will be excited for anything that makes that transition easier for the people.

I know what you mean.  I was very disappointed that there was no Harry Ramsden's in New England, so I had to make do with Lobster and Chowder instead.  Pity really.
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