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Moving To the UK With a Small Child (Custody Issues)
« on: January 22, 2009, 12:42:49 AM »
Hey all,
I travelled to the US a little while ago to visit with my girlfriend and an American Lady who had married a Brit was sat next to me, we got talking and she told me about this website. So if you are reading this and you remember me, thanks, and I found it.

Ok for the question...
I am British and my girlfriend is American. She is divorced, has a son under 10, and she and her ex husband have joint legal custody but my girlfriend has primary physical custody. We have been with each other for two years and have spent a lot of time together both on and offline, visiting each other when we can. We would like to start a life together here in the UK, but we are sure that my girlfriend’s ex will fight to prevent her from bringing her son here to live. Has anyone had any experiences (especially custody issues) bringing children with them when they moved?


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Re: Moving To the UK With a Small Child (Custody Issues)
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2009, 12:55:10 PM »
Your girlfriend will not even be able to get her child a passport without the father's consent.  To get her VISA, she will need to file for one for her child as well and you either have to provide paperwork showing sole custody (which you said she does not have) or consent from the other parent.  Without that, she will not be able to get a VISA and it will be denied.

This was a big issue for me and we were going to have to wait 4 years to be together but I received sole custody after a very lengthy battle so moving here was possible.

You may need to check into moving to the states until her child is 18 and then move to the UK if that is your ultimate goal.

Good luck.

~BEG


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Re: Moving To the UK With a Small Child (Custody Issues)
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 08:10:46 PM »
We are going through same issues but from Canada to UK.  Im from the UK and have now lived with my gf for nearly four years out here.  I gave up a really good job basically and now i have got the chance to get it back as my gf wants to go to school in England.
There are lots and lots of issues that i wont go into here but best thing to do is to seek legal advise mate.  With a lawyer they might be able to conclude it without going to court or through mediation. 
Everything that is done must be done in the best interests of the child though and that doesn't necessarily mean they have to be kept in the US for that to be met.
What that means is the court will look at what is in their best interest.  I.e if your gf had to split with you because you couldn't come to the US what would be the implications of that? A depressed mum wouldn't be in the best interests of the child. She would resent her ex even more and that would mean a very horrible situation that they would be in the middle of.  Especially as the non custodian parent can up and leave whenever they want. 
It would be against your gfs human rights to be denied to move.  That then leaves the child.  Is it in their best interest to remain with the mother or the father.  If he hasn't played a very active role in their life then that puts your gf in a stronger position.
Even indirect stuff to do with yourself and your gf would effect the best interests of the child so its not just about them but about you guys as well.
How easy would it be for you to come to the US for example?  Getting a work visa would probably prove difficult where as if she is already a stay at home mum looking after the child and you have a job she could get a fiancé visa or whatever and you could work in the UK and that would be in the best interests of the child as you could provide a home for them.  If she isn't working and is taking care of the child it would be a big ask of the courts for you to switch roles.  You would have trouble most likely getting a visa and she would then have to find a job that would support the whole family.
You would also need to demonstrate the strength of your relationship most probably in court.  How long you have been together, your plans for the future etc.

If you offered access very similar what the child has now, im taking for example that its every second weekend then if you do need to go to court you can go in there demonstrating that you are trying to do what is not only right for you but also in the best interests of the child,  i.e keeping access as high as possible and at the same providing them with a stable, loving home with two loving parents who can provide for them financially and give them everything they need to grow up to be a successful adult as well as still including the bio dad in that process if he chooses to be.
If the bio dad goes in there acting in a selfish manner, like my gfs ex will, only interested in his rights and what he gets he will most probably lose. 
Its like a story i remember as a kid.  The farmer and his wife bring their cow to the kings court and are arguing over who owns her.  The King listens to each of their side of the story and then says ok i will cut the cow in half.  The farmers face lights up and he says that sounds very fair.  The farmers wife says actually no let him have the cow.  I dont want any harm to come to her.  The king gives the cow to the farmers wife?  Why because she only has the cows best interests at heart thats how you want to come across in court.
Its a long drawn out process and the US court process may differ from here, although i dont think it will be that different. 
The world is becoming a smaller and smaller place.  Plane fares are fairly cheap now and with the internet and phone its very easy to keep contact.  All them things should be in your favour.
Good luck :)


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Re: Moving To the UK With a Small Child (Custody Issues)
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2009, 06:49:27 PM »
Agree with all of this.

Though that isn't a "story you were told", and it wasn't a farmer and a cow...that's the most famous story displaying the wisdom of King Solomon, as found in 'The Book of Kings' [Melachim 1 3:12] / 1 Kings 2 [Chronicles 1.1-13], and it was two women and baby!

Vicky


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Re: Moving To the UK With a Small Child (Custody Issues)
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2009, 08:40:57 PM »
Please remember too that in the USA all custody matters are handled at the state/local level, which means that there are 50 different views. For instance CA where I am from is the toughest. They prevent the custodial parent from leaving the jurisdiction without the permission of the other parents...and sometimes even with. PERIOD. They view the best interest of the child to always include contact with the father...great place to live if you are into father's rights.

Having made long distance co-parenting work for our family, I can offer any assistance should it come to that.
Terri P O'Neale


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