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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #135 on: April 27, 2009, 11:02:48 AM »
I was really nervous about getting started, but this driving instructor has really helped me to relax about it all.  And if I start overthinking/worrying it, I'll get freaked out - so go with the flow, eh?  :)

I had to have a word with my DI about his 'style.'  He was pretty abrasive which was undermining my very fragile confidence.  I told him I needed a lot more gentle encouragement.  The lesson after that chat went much better and he said I needed to tell him whenever he was being too abrasive.  I hope this works cause I really don't want to start over with another DI. 

Definitely going with the flow is the way to go...now I need to start practising this philosophy...


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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #136 on: April 27, 2009, 11:16:31 AM »
I hope it works out for you, NHow!  I knew I was going to love this driving instructor - when I told him about the woman before being a Jehovah's Witness, and he said - 'don't worry, I'm not a god botherer'.  I don't think he could be any more laid back than he is, which is just what I needed & he's been really good about building my confidence.  He's an old, scrappy looking Yorkshireman, balding but with a long-haired comb-over :-X - and I just love him! Lol!
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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #137 on: April 27, 2009, 11:38:00 AM »
I hope it works out for you, NHow!  I knew I was going to love this driving instructor - when I told him about the woman before being a Jehovah's Witness, and he said - 'don't worry, I'm not a god botherer'.  I don't think he could be any more laid back than he is, which is just what I needed & he's been really good about building my confidence.  He's an old, scrappy looking Yorkshireman, balding but with a long-haired comb-over :-X - and I just love him! Lol!
Howled with laughter at your description of your DI.  Wish you could clone him and send him to me.  I recently met a fellow who's almost qualified for his driving instructor certificate (he can teach but can't yet charge for it).  He's got a wonderful personality...very laid back and kind.  I've already decided that if current DI doesn't work out (after giving him a good try), I may just call the nice one (find some way to pay him) and see if he'll teach me.  But hopefully the current one will work out.


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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #138 on: April 29, 2009, 10:53:50 AM »
Thanks for your reply.  I'm trying to estimate how many lessons I will need (possibly even more than you as I am a nervous driver--I quit after a meltdown a year ago and have just taken it up again).  I think you have a very sensible attitude toward the test...just doing the best you can and not worrying too much. 

I have almost 50 years driving experience in the US...don't find it helps much here... [smiley=sa3.gif]

Oh, good luck NHow!  :) I was nervous about driving here too.  I didn't book the test until I (and my instrutor) felt pretty comfortable and confident that I could pass.  Are you going to test in a manual or an automatic?
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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #139 on: April 29, 2009, 01:08:34 PM »
Oh, good luck NHow!  :) I was nervous about driving here too.  I didn't book the test until I (and my instrutor) felt pretty comfortable and confident that I could pass.  Are you going to test in a manual or an automatic?

Thanks for your encouragement, Tin.  I'm not going to book until both DI and I feel I'm ready.  I'm taking the test in an automatic (my husband's Saab...which has dreadful visibility).  I haven't driven a standard since I first learned (several millenia ago) and ithe gear shift was on the wheel, not the floor.  I figured it was just too much to add on to my learning curve.  DI's car is standard.


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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #140 on: April 29, 2009, 01:14:27 PM »
If anyone needs a good instructor in Leeds, I can totally recommend mine. Godfrey was ace and he's also been to America several times and can understand the difference between driving on the right and left.

Good luck everyone. I know I was well freaked out but it does get easier. And it's so much more worth it. I'm so glad I have my license.
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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #141 on: April 30, 2009, 09:48:25 AM »
Hello lesson-takers.  I might be joining your ranks soon enough.  DH suggested this morning that it's time for me to actually get my UK license.  I've been driving on my US license, but I obviously can't do that forever.  Plus, it's much cheaper for our insurance if I just suck it up and get a UK license.  I'm not very excited at the prospect of studying a little rulebook and driving around with a complete stranger who's judging my every move, but I suppose it must be done.  Time to start shopping around for a driving school...
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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #142 on: April 30, 2009, 03:59:59 PM »

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>It looks rather fishy to me too, or at least very dubious.  They claim that they're
> exploiting loopholes and that it's supposedly legal, but it seems doubtful to me.  For
> example:

> So I'd say you're obtaining a license based upon a falsified translation.

> And:

> So even if the license issued is valid and can be swapped legitimately for a U.K.
> license, it seems to involve a little perjury along the way. 


Web sites like idrivinglicence.com and others that claim to know of a "loophole' are scams. Nobody could afford to run a bribery or multinational fraudulent licence scheme for £399 a pop. And licence issuing agencies aren't stupid. There are corrupt officials, but they can't be bought that cheaply either. 

And under EU law one must be a resident of an EU Member State for six months before seeking a licence there. As the UK does not register residency the way many Member States do, it is a self-certification as part of the testing or application process, but in most other EU countries the applicant will have proof of residence.

Online forums contain many complaints of money sent and no product delivered. The forums also include "testimonials" but there is reason to believe these are fake, put there by the sellers. And many of the Web sites with different URLs, including some now shut down, contain identical pictures and text.

My wife and I both have valid European licences (in my case French, in hers Swiss). But neither can be exchanged for a UK licence because no test was ever taken. It happens I have a Quebec licence too, and that could be exchanged except I've been in the UK over 12 months so it can't. And I would have had to prove I took the Quebec test with a manual transmission (or I'd get a restricted licence here) and it's been so long I can't prove it. So I took the GB test (mandated in its details by EU law) and passed third time lucky.

If you do exchange an EU or other licence, the original is returned to the country of issuance. (That is also done among US states and Canadian provinces; it reveals fraud since the authority will respond if it receives back a forged licence.)

There is a way to get a valid, but fraudulent licence and that is to go to a corrupt country like Romania and -- assuming you can find a trusted intermediary -- go through a "test" that you are guaranteed to pass. That, by the way, happens in California too, so don't blame just Romania. The licence you get there will be facially legitimate and will stand up to any scrutiny, including exchange in the UK and return of the original to Romania. But no online scammer can do this for you. You have to go to Romania (or wherever) and make your own contacts.

On the other hand, you could just go to some testing centre in some remote Scottish town where they have no roundabouts and no traffic, and doubtless you'd pass on the first try. There must be such a place.

Finally, there is an alternative. If you can get yourself assigned to the UK as a diplomat or as a member of the Visiting Forces, you get licensed outside the normal rules. Diplomats get that little red book somebody wrote of above -- they have thousands left over, I have a souvenir here -- but, issued by DVLA London they expire after three years and can't be exchanged in this country (although I am told some other EU countries may exchange them if you live there; but since they are issued without tests the UK will not re-exchange them and other EU countries are not required to). Here's a European Parliament petition on that:
http://tinyurl.com/db4er2




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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #143 on: April 30, 2009, 04:41:06 PM »
Argh!!!!  I can't seem to totally break my coasting habit and I'm getting so frustrated about it.  The funny thing though is the manouver I hate the most (reversing around a corner) is the one I'm the best at [smiley=laugh4.gif]
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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #144 on: April 30, 2009, 06:26:10 PM »
Wonder of all wonders...my DI said that if I can master roundabouts I should be ready to book my driving test...not sure I agree, but who am I to argue?! :D  Actually, roundabouts are what scare me the most, so perhaps he's right...to be continued...


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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #145 on: May 01, 2009, 03:00:27 AM »
The test routes are not secret; most test stations will have more than a dozen alternative routes, all published. You might want to practice on those routes (many of which will be duplicative in sections).

There's something of an advantage to taking lessons with an instructor whose territory coincides with a test centre. That way there is less likelihood of a surprise along the route.


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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #146 on: May 01, 2009, 09:26:38 AM »
The test routes are not secret; most test stations will have more than a dozen alternative routes, all published. You might want to practice on those routes (many of which will be duplicative in sections).

There's something of an advantage to taking lessons with an instructor whose territory coincides with a test centre. That way there is less likelihood of a surprise along the route.

Good advice.  I took lessons in the same area I was going to test with an instructor who was familiar with the area, and he pointed out a few weird things like an extremely narrow traffic calming point, and places where the speed limit was 20mph but felt like it should've been 30mph.  It really helped to have seen a bit of the area when it came time to take the test.


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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #147 on: May 01, 2009, 10:55:42 AM »
The test routes are not secret; most test stations will have more than a dozen alternative routes, all published. You might want to practice on those routes (many of which will be duplicative in sections).

There's something of an advantage to taking lessons with an instructor whose territory coincides with a test centre. That way there is less likelihood of a surprise along the route.
I downloaded all the test routes (20) for my area.  However, my DI said he thought it unnecessary to drive the actual routes.  Said our lessons would criss-cross the test routes and there should be no surprises.  If I 'observed all the rules and practised ' I should do all right.... well I hope so. ::)


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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #148 on: May 01, 2009, 11:00:18 AM »
NHow, my DI said much the same thing.  There are something like 20-30 different routes for my town & you don't really know which one you're going to get.  When I go out to practice driving with DH though, I think we're going to do some of the test routes.  However, I've lived in this town for 5+ years and the roads are pretty familiar already - through being a car & bus passenger, so I'm hoping for the best.  :)
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Re: The few, the brave - those of us taking driving lessons right now!
« Reply #149 on: May 01, 2009, 11:09:16 AM »
I had also thought practising around the test centre would not help, but having listened to my DI I felt it made a huge difference in the actual test afterall. There was a very weird traffic light intersection which we'd practised multiple times and the experience of dealing with it came handy during the test.

Roundabouts were my biggest issue and it took me a while to get my head around the concept...

I didn't know the test centres have published test routes.. that's pretty cool - though I'm not sure I would have wanted to go through each one of them before the test... just having spent enough time driving in the vicinity of the test centre was enough for me..

Also... having a full two hour driving lesson (mainly maneuvers) in the area of the test centre just before the actual test seemed to have helped me immensely.

Good luck to all!


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