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What am I missing? car price
« on: May 05, 2009, 03:30:33 AM »
OK so I am searching on autotrader.co.uk, and I came across this car:

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/advert+search/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-20-25-41-51-59-144-240/advert.action?R=200919333714970&distance=165&postcode=SW19+3RQ&channel=CARS&make=&model=&min_pr=5000&max_pr=6000&max_mileage=60000&vehicleYearOfManufacture=2006&vehicleRegLetter=

2006 BMW 5 SERIES 525d M Sport 4dr Auto Diesel Saloon, with a price of 6000gbp

That works out to about US$9000, now I know BMWs are supposedly not as prestigious in the UK as they are here in the states. But over here even a 2006 5 series with a missing engine wouldn't go for US$9000........so what am I missing here?

I see that it is a private sale, did the guy mean 16,000gbp and miss the 1? Is it a scam? Is there some weird UK thing going on here that I don't know about? Can anyone suppose from the ad above why a car that would easily sell for US$25000, be listed for almost 1/3 that?
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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 11:36:28 AM »
I have noticed that used cars tend to be cheaper here than in the US. Much, much cheaper.  I have no idea why that is, but it seems to be a consistent trend.
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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2009, 12:17:34 PM »
2006 BMW 5 SERIES 525d M Sport 4dr Auto Diesel Saloon, with a price of 6000gbp

Something doesn't seem right.  If you search on Autotrader for BMW 5-series between £5000 and £7000, most of the cars that come up are in the 1999 - 2002 year range.  It doesn't make sense that a 2006 would be priced so low.  Maybe Dennis (from your other car buying thread) would have an idea why it's so cheap, but for now I'd be wary of it.

{edit} And now if you click on the ad, you get an error message.  Something's definitely screwy.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2009, 12:19:06 PM by camoscato »


Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2009, 12:20:21 PM »
You might want to do a car check on it and see what the vehicle history is. All you need is the number plate (license plate #) and you can check it here for a small fee: https://www.mycarcheck.com/.


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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2009, 12:42:40 PM »
springhaze is right, though...cars are cheaper here.  In the US, getting a new car for under $10k is almost unheard of, whereas here you can get them for as little as £6-7k!
Best way, like carl says, is to do comparables elsewhere on the website.
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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 02:02:37 PM »
Hiya!

Aless - £6-7K in GBP is pretty much the $10K USD amount - taking into account the 'usual' exchange rates of about £1 = $1.5 or 1.6 USD. Thing is, a car in the UK for £5-6K is usually a super mini sized car or the very low end of a small hatchback. In the US, I think $10K USD will easily get you a small sedan sized car.

Second hand prices in the UK do indeed differ for the exact same make/model of a car in the US. Usually here, it'll be worth less. However, direct comparisons are usually with 'premium' brands as the UK doesn't really get the USA 'bread and butter' cars. So usualy, this comparison will be between things like BMW's, Mercs, VW's, Saabs, Subaru's, Volvo's etc.

The reason? - simple - The USA consumer generally has more disposable income than a UK consumer. This equates also into the overall cost's percieved by individuals. Petrol is around 3 to 4 times more expensive in the UK thanks to the government slapping on about 65-70% in taxes on top of the petrol prices - so economical small cars abound here. Now I only speak from the 'premium' brands perspective here, and as such, second hand pricing for something such as a BMW 3/5 series or Merc C/E Class will be substantially higher in the US. This is becuase sellers know only those people with the money to run such a car will want to buy (or will buy) hence asking prices stay higher for longer. There's no such 'exacting' formula to all of this as some cars are more revered than others and often buck certain trends that are usually seen as the norm.

Chadwyck - cars that appear super cheap usually can be attributed to a few factors - Dodgy, salvage, repaired, distress sale. There are other reasons why a car may be cheap - mine is an example, it's an Ex Police Car, so had what's considered by 'ordinary' driving consumer as having a starship mileage for the year, and is a basic specification. If you're willing to overlook these and a few other possible elements, then buying an Ex Cop car comes HIGHLY recommended by me!

else, it's a case of being at the right place at the right time for the distressed sale type cars coming up. A damged repaired car can be a good money saver as well provided the repairs have of course been carried out to a high standard. Salvage, well, these are really only for mechanic or hobbyists and of course stay away from anything dodgy.

Private sales are of course usually where you'll potentially get the best savings and a chance to haggle - currently, large saloons/sedans, premium marques larger engined cars are going for very cheap money due to the credit crunch etc. I suggest you delve around all the publications, figure yourself out a shortlist of maybe 3-5 cars and then go take a look at a few of them and take test drives etc. Make sure you check out the Cargiant supermarket in White city, the Trade Sales supermarket here in Slough! and the supermarket place in Chertsey (forgot name of company) at least here you can walk in, ask for a test drive and walk around looking all serious and then leave saying you'll comeback to enable you to get a feel of the cars on your shortlist. They are good places to buy from as well.

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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2009, 06:13:48 PM »
I think it's fishy.

I emailed the seller,

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Re ad on Auto Trader site

Is that a typo? 6 grand? If not, what's the matter with it?

and this is their reply...

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Hello there,
I am glad to hear that you are interested to buy my 2006 BMW 5 Series 525D M Sport! Although I am registered in the UK,i recently moved to Huelva, Spain (where my family is from) and the car is being shipped from here. I want to sell it in UK due to the fact that it's an UK version (right handed),it meets all UK standards.I bought this car from UK and It still has UK registration, so you won't have to pay any import and insurance fees.The car meets all United Kingdom guidelines so there will be no problem regarding UK Customs policy on receiving the car.The car is in perfect condition, the bodywork is immaculate,no scratches, dents or hidden defects as well as the interior in excellent non-smoking condition , never been implied in any accident and it is as advertised .The car comes with log book, HPI cleared, No finance. You will get from me the keys and all documents to register the car in you name.If the car is not how i described it, i will offer a full refund. It will be insured during transportation and will be delivered at your address in maximum 10 days.Final price is GBP 6,000 (the price includes shipping and insurance fees).The price is low because the car is right hand drive in a country where all cars are left hand drive so in the Spain is very difficult to drive this type of vehicle and nobody wants to buy it here in Spain.Instead of keeping it in
garage (during this economical crisis), I decided to sell it to someone back in the UK for a really attractive price.
I want to take this opportunity to assure you that this deal is 100% legitimate,the financial part of this deal will be manage by a third party and in this way both buyer and seller are 100% covered during the steps of this transaction.
Let me know if you need any further details or if you would like to buy my 2006 BMW 5 Series 525D M Sport.
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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2009, 06:17:54 PM »
Yup.  Sounds like crap.


Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2009, 06:37:58 PM »
The story has more holes than an over-perforated colander.


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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2009, 06:40:11 PM »
Yeah, this is almost certainly a fake escrow-type scam.
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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2009, 06:54:10 PM »
The guy's "name" is about as Spanish as (say) O'Malley or Von Bosendorfer or Chang.


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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2009, 07:47:13 PM »
Bravo contex! UKY-super slueth! That reply was fishier than the Nigerian prince email scams of yore.

Oh well, I figured it was too good to be true 2004-2005 BMW 320d, VW Passat, or Honda Accord it shall be then.
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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2009, 10:49:51 PM »
I never thought he'd reply. He clearly didn't read my message.

If the car really existed and he really is in Spain, he only has to fill it with "gas" and drive it to Santander, on to a ferry, off again in Plymouth and flog it to a dealer for 3 times as much as the ad price. The amazing thing is that people fall for this kind of thing.

I wonder if I should send him, or Auto Trader, a link to this thread?


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Re: What am I missing? car price
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 10:13:45 AM »

Oh well, I figured it was too good to be true 2004-2005 BMW 320d, VW Passat, or Honda Accord it shall be then.

Cough 320d cough.... 

cough 330 d if you really want to be astounded by what a diesel engine can do cough cough...

cough speak to me if you want the car you buy 'tuned' for better economy and driveability and performance cough

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