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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2009, 01:06:50 PM »
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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2009, 08:40:06 PM »
Thanks! I'll let you all know how it went.


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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2009, 10:36:07 AM »
UPDATE:  The receptionist called us this morning 2.5 hours before our appointment. She was quite brusque on the telephone -- even in my groggy state of mind, I could detect some venone. Curious. She launched into a schpeel about how DH and I are not eligible for free NHS services and that we should be prepared to pay cash upon arrival.

I told her (quite politely, in fact) that she was mistaken and when I could get a word in edgewise, I sighed and simply confirmed that practice's PCT and that their belief that, as nearly arrived immigrants, we were not entitled to NHS services was the only reason they were demanding payment and refusing us as new patients otherwise. Then I said I would ask the PCT to call them right back.

I called the PCT and verified that we are indeed immediately entitled to NHS services. The lady said that the "6 months rule had been the case some time ago, but no longer so. I asked the lady to call the practice. She seemed a bit wishy washy about that, but finally agreed to call and advice the practice to contact the Department of Health for clarification of the rules/law. She said she'd call me back. She never did.

Meanwhile I tried to call the NHS for similar clarification. The moron I got on the phone (for there is no other word for him) listened to me, then said " that's correct; you're not entitled to NHS until you've been here 6 months and you have a job.

I was so stunned by his ignorance! This was an NHS staff member FFS! I told him I wanted to speak to someone immediately who was conversant in this matter to lodge a complaint. He hmmm and hawed then took nearly 2 minutes to transfer me...to the PCT.

Duh!

I tried calling the PCT complaint department. The mailbox is full and can't take anymore messages.

I tried calling Citizens Advice and the Dept. of Health. (Never would I have believe how hard it would be to simply find a d*mn telephone number on their own websites. Had to Google aftering giving up on going through tab after tab after tab.

No luck getting through to a human being.

Finally, I got worried that the hour was approaching for the GP appointment, so I called the GP. The sheer venom coming from her mouth as soon as she heard my name was palpable.

I asked her if our appointment was still in place. She said yes, then kept interrupting me to insist that we had to pay in advance or provide an NHS number.

Of course I told her (again) that we don't have NHS numbers and we were registering with this practice for that purpose. She then yelled (I'm not kidding here!!!) "you don't have a job, you don't have an NI Number, so you have no right to NHS unless you pay. This practice will not accept people who don't pay taxes!!!

I was flabberghasted, but had the presence of mind (amazingly under the circumstances) to again ask if her belief that we were not immediately entitled to NHS was the only reason for this tirade. She said yes. (Wish I could have recorded this!)

She then said she would give me the address for the homeless walk-in clinic. I hung up on her at that point.

Now, my new mission is to lodge a bloody hailstorm of complaints against the practice, but you'd be amazed how unhelpful online information is about this.

To top it off, over the weekend, DH has developed an ear ache, possibly an ear infection.

I'm sooooooooo bloody fuming angry I can't see straight. DH says at the very first phone conversation (which I couldn't hear), the GP herself was oozing venom. He believes it was at the sound of his American accent. I dread to think that's what the problem is, but I fear it is so.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2009, 10:52:36 AM by LadyAnglesey »


Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2009, 10:48:51 AM »
Oh LadyA, I am so sorry that you're having to deal with the stupidity of these people at the GP's. I say stupidity not ignorance, because in this case they most likely know better and just don't want to deal with you anymore.

I suggest finding another surgery in your area and just call if they are accepting new patients, don't make an appointment just show up and do the registration (which is what I did) take your passports, and proof of address with you as you may need it.

I know in my area (Derby) there is a walk in clinic that you can use and just explain to them that you've not had any success in registering with a GP or use A&E if necessary for your DH's ear.


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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2009, 10:54:18 AM »
wow, ladyAngelsey!  I agree with WebyJ, if it is at all possible to find another surgery who won't give you this grief, definitely do so!

But in case you need to go further down this path, I just want to clarify one thing-

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Meanwhile I tried to call the NHS for similar clarification. The moron I got on the phone (for there is no other word for him) listened to me, then said " that's correct; you're not entitled to NHS until you've been here 6 months and you have a job.

Who exactly did you call here?  You said above that that you called the PCT- they *are* the NHS, and should be the only people you need to deal with to resolve this issue.  

Also, who did you speak to in the PCT?  Every PCT has a PALS (Patient Advice and Liasion Service) team, whose job it is to deal with exactly these sorts of issues.  I would call the PALS team, tell them exactly what you wrote here, including the part about the PCT complaints department voicemail being full (wtf?) and tell them them that if this isn't sorted with the practice, you want to know how to make a formal written complaint (hopefully they'll then find the complaints manager if he/she is around, if not they should know the basic procedure, or be able to find the complaints policy on their intranet.)

eta: by the way, even if you call back the PCT and they get on the ball and sort this out immediately, I think the way the GP and the staff at the surgery has been treating you is appalling, whether they are right or not (we all know they're wrong, of course!)  Definitely complaint-worthy in and of itself, no matter how this turns out.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2009, 10:59:26 AM by springhaze »
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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2009, 10:54:47 AM »
That sounds plain awful.

Might PALS be able to help?

http://www.pals.nhs.uk/

Or the Health Service Ombudsman?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Diol1/DoItOnline/DG_4018299

Could you try registering elsewhere whilst deciding what action to take regarding the GP surgery? Or just go to the walk in clinic as a temporary measure whilst registering elsewhere and deciding what action to take regarding the GP surgery?  Or A & E if it is an emergency re: your DH's ear, as WebyJ says.

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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2009, 11:46:12 AM »
I am so, so sorry you're going through this!

I know in many areas of London, you only have one option for GP registration so you may not be able to choose another doctor in your area.

In the meantime I HIGHLY recommend the Minor Injuries Unit at Guy's Hospital, near London Bridge (you are in London right?). They are basically a less intense A&E and I don't think many people know about them -- I've been there three times and it's always practically empty. I've been able to go there, be examined, get an X-ray, diagnosis and crutches, in less than an hour!

Best of all for your situation, they definitely understand the rules for NHS. I've never been asked to show my student visa or anything, to prove I can use NHS. (Though I haven't been there in a year so maybe now they ask for proof -- but at least they know you don't have to wait six months!)

I think I remember seeing someone there who had a bad ear ache (I think) so maybe your husband could go there until you get the GP issue sorted.

Good luck!!!


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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2009, 11:55:19 AM »
That is utterly appalling with the GP's surgery.  I can't believe that you're getting such a run around.

If you have any options at all to register at a different GP's surgery, I would!! 

If you're in need care, I second the minor care unit, even a call to NHS direct may be helpful. 

Definitely use the PALS and stand your ground.   
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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2009, 12:33:53 PM »
PM'ing you my email address. I do primary care contracting and used to work in PALS so I might be able to email someone at your PCT if you like - no guarantees it will work, but I'm happy to try because this sort of thing really, really irks me.

But I would agree with the advice that you should try to find another surgery in your area (use www.nhs.uk - put in your post code and tick GP) - it may be that you just don't want to be a part of a surgery who employ ill-informed, rude people.

Incidentally, GPs and other employees of practices are not NHS employees. GPs hold a contract with the NHS to provide services but they are totally independent companies/contractors and the people they employ work for them, not for the NHS.


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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2009, 01:09:08 PM »
Incidentally, GPs and other employees of practices are not NHS employees. GPs hold a contract with the NHS to provide services but they are totally independent companies/contractors and the people they employ work for them, not for the NHS.

Oooo glad to know I was right when I posted it above, I wasn't sure I was! I may be starting to figure this UK thing out...  ;D  
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« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2009, 08:22:58 PM »
Oooo glad to know I was right when I posted it above, I wasn't sure I was! I may be starting to figure this UK thing out...  ;D  

Oops, sorry, PB - I only skimmed the thread before posting. I hate chop-livering people!!  ;)  :-*

You've got the UK thing sorted!!  ;D


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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2009, 09:52:31 PM »
Oops, sorry, PB - I only skimmed the thread before posting. I hate chop-livering people!!  ;)  :-*

You've got the UK thing sorted!!  ;D

No worries!  I was just chuffed to see I didn't have my facts screwed up!  ;D
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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2009, 11:31:50 AM »
AnneR I sent you an email. Thanks for your help! And thanks to everyone else for verifying that this is not normal.


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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2009, 02:34:55 PM »
omg I am so sorry LadyA. I can't believe the balls on some people. I really hope you can get some kind of action taken against that see you next tuesday GP!

After American Mums ordeal I was stressed to go down and register but she forced me to and I really didn't have a problem at all. All I took was my Passport because I had only been here a few days and they took it gladly.

Here's hoping you get a new GP who isn't a biatch.




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Re: GP Registration and Visas
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2009, 06:00:39 PM »
What a nightmare! I had a situation where the receptionist gave me the wrong information about the waiting period to be approved before I could make an appointment, but we got that settled. They tried to tell me I had to have proof of address, but having only been in the country a week when I got very sick, we hadn't yet received the new utility bill with my name on it. I had my husband there, with his UK passport, they had him in the computer system with his address. My spouse visa lists his name on it. She couldn't even find the visa in the passport. How hard is it to flip each page. And I couldn't show her because of the glass barrier at the counter. All said and done, the problem was not because I was not a citizen, but rather because they were idiots.

I have since been seen for my illness, seen because I didn't get better, a third visit was for my new patient check up and I have a fourth (!) visit next week for my female exam so I can get pills through them. All this since March 9th.


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