[Merged]: Assorted ilak Questions

I think the bottom line is that she did a whole host of things that she shouldn't have done, but none of them will make a whit of difference to her application since the 10-year ban doesn't apply to spouses.  No ECO with half a brain will believe most of what she says, but there doesn't seem to be anything in the rules that will prevent her visa from being issued, unless they don't consider her maintenance docs to be sufficient. 

I think the bottom line is that she did a whole host of things that she shouldn't have done, but none of them will make a whit of difference to her application since the 10-year ban doesn't apply to spouses.  No ECO with half a brain will believe most of what she says, but there doesn't seem to be anything in the rules that will prevent her visa from being issued, unless they don't consider her maintenance docs to be sufficient. 

Reluctantly and begrudgingly agreed.

It's worth noting that under the proposed family points system, those with a history of abuse will face additional hurdles for acquiring citizenship.  They can do this because the right to family life does not include an innate right to become a citizen.  It means naturalization is not a human right, so they are proposing to put some blocks in the way.  Those interested can read the Ministerial Statement about it.

Hi I can't believe how many replies were written with the wrong facts. People say I have alot of posts and then they forget themselves what the facts are... and your talking about my overstay AGAIN, when you all tell me to let it gooo...

Firstly, I am not making up my husband losing his checkbook. He lost it, didn't bother opening another account, because we planned on opening a joint one together. I opened this account in Feb 2009 and will add his name onto it when I am in UK. So I do have a bank account, but no savings yet as I have not worked in the UK.

Secondly, regarding what I did & did not do during my overstay. We been thru this. Why does this subject always come up again & again? In regards to...

NHS - I used only A&E during my Overstay which is allowed.

Prov Lic/Bank Account - Well this was Vickys' quote:  It was not a breach of any immigration rules to open a bank acount or apply for a provisional licence, so it won't get you into any trouble.  What it will do is prove that you were living at the same address as your husband while you were in the UK, and therefore be added evidence of genuine relationship.

And as for registering with a GP - no I did not register during my Overstay, I registered during my 6 Month Visa after my overstay. Nor did I open a bank account when illegal in the UK. This was also during my 6 Month Visa period recently.

Your mixing it all up... funny because there's past posts about these things and everyones saying how tired they are of talking about my overstay situation, but those SAME people seem to bring it up again when I never asked anything regarding it...

Anyways, its interesting to read all the different points.

 

Regardless of when you registered with the GP, as a visitor or as an overstayer (you never did say when you did it until now) you're not allowed to have NHS services -- which means you cannot register with a GP -- other than A&E and family planning services.

Ilak, what you're not getting is that you really did screw up big time.  The fact that you won't face any consequences as a result doesn't justify what you did.  Plus, you ask the same questions over and over, so of course you're getting the same replies.  No one can help you any more.  Send what you've got, there's nothing else you can do. 

Oh, and losing a checkbook doesn't cause an account to be closed.  He would actually have had to contact the bank and tell them to close the account. 

Firstly, I am not making up my husband losing his checkbook. He lost it, didn't bother opening another account, because we planned on opening a joint one together.

but i think what people are trying to point out is that simply losing a checkbook doesn't mean you automatically no longer have a bank account!  you have to actively decide to close a bank account to no longer have one, and just losing a checkbook or a debit card doesn't warrant closing an account...banks can simply void what was lost and issue new ones.  logically, most people (including the people who will be reading your husband's letter) would think it doesn't make much sense to go to a bank and withdraw what funds are left and close an account entirely just because checks have been lost.  AND if he did not go to the bank and formally close his account, then just losing his checkbook and doing nothing further would mean that his account was still open!      

They may not be able to refuse your visa because of the overstay, but it might cause them to further question the other issues with your application--mainly the finances. Like others have said, merely losing a checkbook isn't really adequate grounds for closing down a bank account. Even if for some weird reason it did, the more likely scenario would be to get another bank account set up straight away with minimal disruption. But, instead of that, you go on about how he's supposed to be added to your account, which you didn't get done before you left, and you can't do it now that you're in the US. Nothing is stopping him from taking a half hour out of his day to go set up his own account in order to make your application *less* complicated.

The ECO would have to believe that a whole load of bad luck just happened to come you and your husband's way. Anybody can say they lost a checkbook or a passport during a move, and such an explanation only gives the ECO more reason to be nervous about the application since there's no proof that such a thing happened. I'm sure they've heard the same excuse from other people before who they found out to be false--I'm not coming out and saying that you're lying or whatever, I don't know. But the ECO could have every reason not to believe you with the stuff you're telling us--all of it would sound incredibly fishy to an ECO who's seen it before.

Like historyenne said, you basically have to submit what you have--no one on here can tell you anymore than what we've already said.

edit: it sounds especially fishy to close down the account with a 'lost' checkbook since he'd have to withdraw all the money, then sort out paying utilities and rent without a bank account, which to most people would be a huge PITA. You either have the bank void the checks that you're missing, or close the account down AND then open a new account straight after, if for some weird reason the checks couldn't be sorted out.

but i think what people are trying to point out is that simply losing a checkbook doesn't mean you automatically no longer have a bank account!  you have to actively decide to close a bank account to no longer have one, and just losing a checkbook or a debit card doesn't warrant closing an account...banks can simply void what was lost and issue new ones.  logically, most people (including the people who will be reading your husband's letter) would think it doesn't make much sense to go to a bank and withdraw what funds are left and close an account entirely just because checks have been lost.      

Yeah, I've lost my chequebook twice now, I think - each time, I just went into the bank and asked for a new one. They cancelled the remaining cheques in the lost book and I received a new one in the post within a week... easy peasy .

Firstly, I am not making up my husband losing his checkbook. He lost it, didn't bother opening another account, because we planned on opening a joint one together. I opened this account in Feb 2009 and will add his name onto it when I am in UK. So I do have a bank account, but no savings yet as I have not worked in the UK.

Please see Megs post above where she points out a thread in which you admited that your husband closed his account due to being in arrears.  You have made some mistakes in your past, which you claim were due to you being misinformed.  You are herby correctly informed that lying on your visa application is the best way for you to further muck up your situation.

When I registered with a doctor during my 6 Month Visitor Visa period recently, the lady at the desk who was registering my took a look at my passport. She had looked at my 6 month stamp and said I was allowed to register as long as I was a valid visitor.

So I really don't understand whats happened so wrong... they sent me a NHS medical card and everything with my doctors name on it, ect. Are they just not following the rules then or what??

Because I am really confused as to whether a visitor can register or not?? The doctors where I registered seemed to have no problem with it.

If anyone can help me out with this I would really appreciate it. And regardless of anything, I will be disclosing everything in my application. I'm sorry some of you think I am trying to lie in my application - because that is not true at all. I am disclosing everything, I wouldn't lie and mess up my situation even more then it might already be. I'm open and honest about everything that happened in the past 4 years, getting my license, bank account, using A&E, ect. Lieing wont get me anywhere.

Any help regarding registering with doctor - thank you 

I am not sure what you are asking.. You say that you will disclose everything and part of that "everything" is that you registered with the NHS. So, whether its legal or illegal, you did it. If you are going for full disclosure, then it should be mentioned.  Right?

Yes of course.

What I want to know is...

1) Can a UK Visitor register with a GP?

2) Can visitors use A&E? Even if they are overstayers?

1) They are not supposed to.

2) Yes.

People who work in doctors surgeries are not immigration experts.  Some people with valid settlement or work visas have been told they are not allowed to use the NHS even though they are, and you were told that you could use it when you couldn't.  It is not their responsibility to regulate your actions, it is your responsibility to do your research and learn the rules, then follow them.  Would you go around hitting people over the head with a lead pipe as long as no one told you it was wrong?  

You have to disclose it.  It probably won't affect your application.  That doesn't mean it was right.