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If it's not causing any pain or issues with her mobility it seems that the problem could be solved with a simple knee brace to keep it from dislocating. Hmm...a few thousand £££'s spent on someone with a very limited life expectancy or about £50 on a decent knee brace that will most likely last as long as she'll need it for.


It is causing her mobility/indepdence issues......thank you very much for your medical opinion.  :(



It is causing her mobility/indepdence issues......thank you very much for your medical opinion.  :(

I wasn't providing a medical opinion...just a reasonable option. Her doctor already gave the medical opinion. I was just suggesting that a simple brace could help in that light that a replacement is not an option.

I realize that this is a sensitive subject, but it's just things that they have to take into account when authorizing such procedures. Especially when the outlay could be used in another area such as neonatal medicine (to use an extreme example). I'm sorry you took my comment personally as that was not the intention.

My mother is in the US and needs double knee replacement, she is in constant pain and has difficulty walking due to Rheumatoid Arthritis. Even with insurance (she's only 64) her portion of the procedure and aftercare will be in excess of $40,000 that my parents just don't have lying around. So she just manages the pain with medication and tries to keep active.

So I understand your point of view clearly and was no way trying to lessen your experience.


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Not every 76-year-old has a very limited life expectancy.


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Not every 76-year-old has a very limited life expectancy.

Exactly what I was going to say.  It seems pretty harsh to reduce someone's relative down to

Hmm...a few thousand £££'s spent on someone with a very limited life expectancy or about £50 on a decent knee brace that will most likely last as long as she'll need it for.


Not every 76-year-old has a very limited life expectancy.
My statement was based on the last report that in England the average life expectancy for women at 81 years. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=168

Exactly what I was going to say.  It seems pretty harsh to reduce someone's relative down to...

It was not intended to be...just realistic that's all.


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My statement was based on the last report that in England the average life expectancy for women at 81 years. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=168
It was not intended to be...just realistic that's all.

That's an average, though. We're talking about a person who could live another 20 years or more. Remember also that average life expectancy calculations take into account babies that die in infancy.
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Exactly what I was going to say.  It seems pretty harsh to reduce someone's relative down to
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Hmm...a few thousand £££'s spent on someone with a very limited life expectancy or about £50 on a decent knee brace that will most likely last as long as she'll need it for.

Speaking purely from a personal standpoint, and not in any argument for what the NHS should do in this situation - it also depends on what the "quality of life" would be in each scenario.

For me, I HATE wearing knee braces...they're hot, they get sweaty, I usually don't feel that much more secure in them (unless they're the kind with the metal rails to keep your knee perfectly straight/stable, and then I feel like I can't move, plus the brace weighs a ton).

That said, I would much rather wear a brace (especially if it's one of those slipon ones without metal) than do another knee surgery.  I had an ACL replaced a few years ago, and rehab was really not fun.  Granted, now (6 years later), my knee is doing fine without any braces, but it still swells up and gets sore pretty often (which wasn't happening pre-surgery).  (For the record, I also have a pretty high tolerance for pain, and don't have an aversion to surgery in general.)  Surgery ended up being a good choice for me, I think, since my knee is now a lot more stable (even if it does tend to overreact to minor scrapes and gets sore easily), plus I had the surgery done when I was 23, so the rehab time to benefit time was a pretty good ratio.

Anyway, I think balancing the level of inconvenience is also an issue...is the person willing to wear a brace when needed, would rehab take ages/be painful, would the time spent in rehab/recovery be outweighed by the time afterwards being hassle-free (assuming that's possible), etc.
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On a positive side of NHS care for seniors... my MIL who is 71 was diagnosed with a brain tumor last week.  She's going in for surgery on Wednesday morning with two surgeons (one an auditory specialist and one neurosurgeon.)   When conditions are life threatening the NHS can and does move quickly.  

No system is perfect, but neither is leaving 40 million people without basic medical care.   :-X




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No system is perfect, but neither is leaving 40 million people without basic medical care.   :-X

Without medical insurance. "Care" and "insurance" are not the same thing at all.

Last I booked a doctor's appointment in the States without any insurance, an office visit was $60. A full blood workup, $110. A mammogram, $300. Like I said, I spent less on "basic medical care" than I did on car repairs per year. The vast majority of those (possibly) 40 million could do the same. And they can't refuse to treat you when you get hit by a car, either.

It's when you get the chronic disease diagnosis that you're in serious trouble without insurance.


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I recently found out that my parents had to declare bankruptcy when I was 9 due to my medical problems at the time (I had gastric ulcers and was hospitalized once, then had to have a few procedures - endoscopies, etc.) and they are still terrified about the idea of me moving to the UK and the NHS. Oh and they WERE insured. It just boggles my mind. I hate the way insurance companies work here, I quite frankly think that they are pure greed/evil.
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Your sister hasn't been watching Fox News has she? Amazing the mis-information they put out about "socialized healthcare" and how it works in the UK.

I've emailed O'Reilly on a number of occasions.

Oh she sure has been, along with others who all seemed to be at my parents for the 4th of July!
Of course they all thought it was appropriate to discuss this at the party and things got quite heated.
I just find it amazing what people take as fact!


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