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Thinking about Oxford or other UK universities...
« on: August 18, 2009, 05:59:07 AM »
Hello all. Just joined. :)

I'm Winged Genius and I'm living in Dallas - Fort Worth Area in Texas of the United States and I'm just about to graduate high school and move on to college life.

I'm interested in going to an international university, but I'm not so sure if the UK is such a good place for a college student with no money...

If I can find some resources, that would be great and I would love to see the pros of living Euro-Style!

I visited Spain a few months ago and loved it, except for the lack of good service (*coughIberiacough*) and rather lax smoking policies...

If I have offended anyone, I apologize and I am here to learn. ;)

Thanks for the help anyone can give me! :D


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Re: Thinking about Oxford or other UK universities...
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2009, 07:37:33 AM »
If you don't have funds up front or from parents and are going to need to rely on loans, it's hard to find enough to cover undergraduate study in the UK (or anywhere outside the US) these days.  I would recommend going to a university you can afford in the US with a good study abroad program and then doing a year abroad in the UK or another country :)
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Re: Thinking about Oxford or other UK universities...
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2009, 08:59:14 AM »
Hello,

Good for you for wanting to study abroad. When I graduated high school, I also considered going to the UK for university. I actually came and went on some campus tours. In the end, I decided I really wanted a US college experience (it's very different at a UK university - especially one in a major city like London). I ended up studying abroad in London my senior year of college and then returning on a BUNAC visa after graduation.

I now live in the UK and work for a big university in London. It's incredibly expensive for Americans to study in the UK and certainly from the university I work for, there are not as many student jobs to be had and with part time jobs you're competing with everyone else in London. Whereas at my university in the US, there were tons of opportunities for students to make some extra cash.

I'd really research the universities you're interested in - especially student life. Since working at a UK university, it's made me even more glad I studied in the US.

I think studying abroad is a fantastic thing so if you decide you don't want to study all 4 years abroad, consider looking at schools with a strong study abroad program.

Good luck!


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Re: Thinking about Oxford or other UK universities...
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2009, 10:05:54 AM »
I too am living in Dallas at the moment, and I applied to a UK university during high school (Univ of Manchester to be exact) and managed to get in. I was set on attending university in the United Kingdom, and was... nicely discouraged(?) for having "such high standards" by my fellow peers. For most of senior year, I didn't mention my wishes to go abroad very much. I understood their concerns and it's quite funny to see the looks on people's faces when I admit that I only applied to two schools, one in US (out of state) and one in the UK.

What are you interested in studying? Many degrees are only three years versus four years in the US, except in Scotland (four years). Just look up the prospectus on the university's website and it will list whether your degree is three or four years.

Get familiar with UCAS, it is sort of like the Common App in the US. You register on the site, they'll give you a username and an application to fill out. You'll have to write a personal statement saying why you want to study your subject and this will get sent to up to five degrees you choose. Keep this in mind, five degrees and not necessarily five schools. For example, if you interested in a degree at Oxford in either politics or agriculture, you would need to take up two choices on your application. A major difference between how you apply to universities in the UK versus US is that you apply for your "major" instead of applying directly to the university and then deciding your major. Also UCAS is much cheaper, I believe I paid about 17 pounds to send the application to my five choices.

Take AP exams if possible and try to earn a score of at least 4 out of 5. They like it if you have about 2-3 exams with a score of 4 or 5. They are aware that final scores don't come out until summer, so if you inform them or show on your transcript that you are enrolled in the AP classes and intend to take the exam, they will give you a conditional offer, and decide whether or not to accept you based on your scores. All UK universities have a international students page that will list academic requirements for different countries, and US is always on there somewhere.

Offers. After you send off your application, you will wait for the universities to reply to your application. They can reject you, give you an unconditional offer or a conditional offer. An unconditional means that they are willing and ready to offer you a place at their school. A conditional offer means that they are interested in you, but want to see your end of year scores (like a 3.3 GPA) or AP scores, etc in order to make their final decision. They will inform you what scores they are waiting for in their reply. The hardest thing about receiving conditional offers are the conflicting dates for American deadlines. For example, imagine if you were deciding between a spot at an American university and one conditional offer in the UK. Most US universities require that you accept or reject their spots by May and if the UK university was waiting for your AP scores, which again, come out in summer, you would have a dilemma.

Documentation and advisers. I have found UK universities favor faxing versus mail post. As most (if not all) US universities require that transcripts be sent in a sealed envelope, the UK universities didn't care if they were open and sent through fax. Being in high school, new to the college application process, and also taking on learning how to apply to UK university was difficult. My advisers did their best to assist me, but as far as I know, I was their first student to apply directly to a foreign university. I don't know about your advisers or school, but be warned they might be new to the process too.

Everyone else around you will also be new to the process. Many of my friends thought my trying to apply directly abroad was brilliant and others...were less than encouraging. You need to determine for yourself if it is worth it. No one here on the forum or in your life can make that decision for you. At first glance, attending a UK school can seem expensive. But depending on where you are interested in attending in the US, it can be cheaper. Univ of Manchester (and the exchange rate was worse then) was significantly cheaper than my out-of-state US school. Univ of Manchester definitely would have been cheaper, tuition-wise, because I would have had to pay for three years instead of four. If you're deciding between a UK school and a state school, then going to school in the US would be cheaper. You have to calculate it out for yourself.

Visa. You will need a visa since you will be studying for long term. Currently student visa costs 145 pounds, which is actually cheap compared to what other UK visas cost. In order to be accepted for your visa, you need to be accepted by your UK university, show that you can pay for your first year's of tuition, and living expenses. If your school is in London, you would need to show that you have 7200 pounds or 800 pounds per month for nine months to live off of. Else where in the UK is 5400 pounds for nine months. You will be able to work a total of 20 hours per week on a student visa during the school semester and be able to work full time during school holidays.

Most likely, I have only found one university that doesn't do this, you will start your course in September or October. Again, I have found only one university that offers starts in the Spring. The UK system is in years instead of semester in the US. So you can't take off a semester here or there unfortunately.

Keep in mind that you will far away from home in a different time zone. Living is different from visiting. You will be immersed in a new culture that you will either grow to love or hate. It will be difficult when you first arrive, but if you stick through it, you'll meet new people, see new places, make new friends, etc. The experience, or any college experience you have on any continent will be what you make of it.

Also, if you ultimately decide to attend a US school, keep in mind that you can earn your master's in the UK. Most degrees only a year (15 months?) instead of two years in the US. If you are curious about this option, tons of people on this forum have explored that option and are more than happy to give you their testimony.

Phew, I hadn't expected to babble on and on, but I hope it was helpful. I hope it all works out for you and good luck with your applications  :) :)

Resources:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/good_university_guide/ This website gives university rankings
http://ucas.com/ The UCAS application
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/ Student forums

If you choose to end up in London:
http://moving2london.com/ Videos geared for Australians who wish to move to London, but tons of relevant information about moving to the UK in general
http://citywoop.com/ Two minute videos about different areas in London

« Last Edit: August 18, 2009, 10:17:51 AM by rynn_aka_rae »
09/29/09--Visa Approved!
10/05/09--Leave for the UK!!!
06/15/12--Back in the US indefinitely...


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Re: Thinking about Oxford or other UK universities...
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2009, 09:03:16 AM »
Well, I'm not sure you'll get any better service or smoking habits here in the UK than what you had in Spain. To the actual question, I think it really depends on what you want to study. If you're floating between two related subjects, then a UK uni will work for you. If you have no idea, it may be better to wait a year and take intro-level classes in the US at a college/uni. I also agree that going to a US uni with a good exchange programme may work better. It took me nearly a year to settle into my programme here and I'm a veteran when it comes to higher education (nearly half of all of my education has been at the higher-ed level now). I know that in my department (theology & religious studies), for instance, grades for first year courses are determined by 2 papers (each 20 pages long). That's something I don't think most first year US students can do, especially the ones that are still learning basic writing skills in introductory English!


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Re: Thinking about Oxford or other UK universities...
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2009, 03:40:53 PM »
Not sure about other UK universities, but DO NOT attend this one:

American InterContinental University. 

It's a total joke - finance department always screws up paperwork so a lot of students are left for two weeks without access to their money. 

I went here and, as I already had a BA, was told that my second degree in Media Production would only take a year and a half to complete.  I based my entire budget on this information.  After two terms, three of the staff left, so for an entire media department there was the Dean, two professors and one audio professor - NOT enough staff to adequately offer a full degree programme.  Not only that, but because of the lack of staff, they had to reduce the number of classes offered, so my degree completion date was doubled.  I didn't have the money for this extra year (or two!) so left.  Good thing I had my other degree!  :)

If you can get into Oxford, more power to you!  That would be a truly amazing experience.  You could also go to an American universty and do an exchange programme.

Good luck with everything!


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Re: Thinking about Oxford or other UK universities...
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 06:47:28 AM »
I know I used American Student loans when I went through masters school.  The university you are applying too, should have on there site whether or not they participate with our system.  If they do then they should have a liaison that should work only on those types of loans you can contact to see if you need anything special.  I know ours was pretty straight forward except the exchange rate dropped significantly during my studies but they adjusted the amount to cover that too.   


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Re: Thinking about Oxford or other UK universities...
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 01:23:19 AM »
The following link has some relevant information - http://www.educationuk.org/pls/hot_bc/page_pls_user_article?x=175987248810&y=0&a=0&d=4423 [nofollow] .  I studied abroad in the UK and I believe that if you really want to study there you can make it happen, either through loans or a part-time job when you are there or this summer in preparation.  University there is not as expensive as it is here, so you will definitely have money left to spend on necessities.  Hope this helps! :)


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