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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2009, 08:51:58 AM »
Vista is a pain; I dislike it immensely.  

The rest of the time I use the wonderfully elegant and certainly not a pain ars* Mac.  :)

This!  Vista is a terrible pain, awfully designed system.  Thank god at work we use XP, I'd go completely nuts otherwise.  I don't know anyone who likes vista at all. 
Luckily at home I use my mac. 
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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2009, 09:09:14 AM »
On the topic of Vista, does anyone know if Dell UK will still build your system with XP instead of Vista?

When I bought my Dell laptop (2007) they had an option to go with either Vista or XP (stupid me decided to have Vista), but when I looked on the website over the weekend, I didn't see any XP options for an Inspiron 15, just Vista - we're looking at getting a laptop for my brother who starts uni in a couple of weeks and Dell have a sale on at the moment (ending on Wednesday), so I was wondering whether if we called them up instead of ordering online, they might be able to build it with XP instead.


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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2009, 11:14:05 AM »
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I loathe Microsoft and only use it because I can't afford a Mac right now. But, to avoid using anything other than the crap operating system, I am slowly switching over to open source software (OpenOffice, etc). It's a slow process because I don't know much about what I'm doing so I'm trying to be careful.

So why not take a further step? That is, dump everything Microsoft! Especially Windows! On my computer there is absolutely nothing from Microsoft, and indeed there is absolutely no paid-for software! All totally legal of course.

My operating system? Ubuntu, a type of Linux, which I have been using for over 2 years. Ubuntu readily available to download for free from this website.

But if you are going to take this step, do ensure that you backup all your data files before proceeding. Your hard disk will get reformatted as part of the Ubuntu installation process, as a different file storage system is used.

And yes, OpenOffice gets installed automatically as part of the Ubuntu installation process.
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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2009, 12:17:14 PM »
I run Ubuntu on one laptop as well. Love it. It's the easiest flavor of Linux I've ever used.

Sadly, I've got thousands worth of legacy software -- the pricey Adobe stuff like Photoshop, Director, Flash, InDesign, Illustrator -- that either haven't got open source equivalents, or the equivalents aren't really equivalent. Or I'm just too flipping old to learn that much new software.


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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2009, 05:07:56 AM »
Which is why I use Windows 7  ;D
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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2009, 01:06:01 PM »
hi all,

The underlying moral is still exactly the same with PC's - that is, looked after properly, good maintenance and tweaking of settings mean Vista can and does operate perfectly well for 'most' Home users. When looked into, most of the 'Gripes about Vista' you'll see here and mainly on other forums are 90% easy to resolve scenario's provided you DO a little research. The other 10% usually come down to elements with a combination of other companies needing to make their software Vista certified, Driver manufacturers bothering to update etc. Not to say Vista is 'great' - it isn't - the forthcoming Windows 7 is what Vista should have been, but like I always say to people who do complain with generalising statements - have a little look and you'll probably find an easy solution.

I understand of course most 'home users' just want it to 'work' - hence why Apple have enjoyed success in this area, 'most home users' who just want to email, store photos, listen to music and perhaps do the odd bit of word processing and other similar low intensive tasks will always give the thumbs up for the MAC system. A similar Windows user, WILL have to spend more time maintaining the system, doing malware scans and regular cleanups etc - however, done well, there's very minimal difference between the great Windows Vs MAC debate. It's when you want to do more intensive tasks the gap becomes bigger. In this thread some of the most common things have already been mentioned - if you're a Gamer, Windows is the way to go, as Apple's MAC has much less available in this area. If you do alot of Graphics intensive work, Apple does have a upper hand here, but you've got to get the ultra high end Apple desktops to seriously steal a lead on comparable Windows workstations, and thats when you're talking £2500, £3500 plus on the Apple G5 - way out of the re-mit of most home users.

To the poster who mentioned having to 'click 100 times' to copy the files - read the dialogue box, and there a option which says 'do this for all files' :) use that, and it becomes 'one click' :)

Navie mentions the Gaming aspect - Windows has more titles and hardware and graphics capabilities here

Norton's current products have been independantly tested and have MUCH less memory requirements than much older versions - it's a fallacy to say they slow youre system way down. If that happens, it's simply highlighting other areas of weakness in the integrity of the operating system.

Linux - great alternatives, but still currently at the stage of being viewed as too technical and difficult to resolve matters with. Things are getting better though with the reviews I've read for the very latest flavours. However, the overall mass market still places Linux distributions such as Ubuntu into the very very small number of users catagory.

open Source software - again, great alternatives, and free, and do the job. it's support and fixing issues where these fall down, with so many releases, variants and having to sift through tonnes of online messages for help, 'most home users' just don't bother. You'll also find sometimes, features you want are not available and/or require other plugin or downloads or updates to get them.

There's plus points and negative points for all the above - If you have simple requirements and are not technically minded, go for the Apple Mac, if you have a little technical skills, don't mind getting into a routine to maintain your computer and want ultimate flexibility on choice, go for Windows. More technical minded, and want total freedom, consider a Linux distribution. You can even have hardware now that will run all operating systems on one box! yes, even on a PC architecure box too! (evil grin!)

Have a good evaluation of your computing needs and take it from there!

My Vista I've had from day one, and I've only ever encountered two issues - one where my login password was 'forgotton' - 5 minute delve into a forum and fixed. And last week where my DVD drive wasn't being detected - 15 minute call to Dell support - problem fixed.

Trying to stay as unbiased as possible here as I do encounter users with all Operating systems. That said, I've already earmarked funds to purchase Windows 7 as soon as it's released!

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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2009, 10:44:12 PM »
I understand of course most 'home users' just want it to 'work' - hence why Apple have enjoyed success in this area, 'most home users' who just want to email, store photos, listen to music and perhaps do the odd bit of word processing and other similar low intensive tasks will always give the thumbs up for the MAC Mac system.

And those of us who are high-end, power users who just want it to work also give thumbs up to the Mac.

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A similar Windows user, WILL have to spend more time maintaining the system, doing malware scans and regular cleanups etc - however, done well, there's very minimal difference between the great Windows Vs MAC Mac debate.


After nearly 20 years of cleaning up behind Windows, to be honest I am sick of it.  I want something that is elegant, intuitive, that works, that doesn't take my precious time to tweak and clean.  Apple has delivered that.

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If you do alot of Graphics intensive work, Apple does have a upper hand here, but you've got to get the ultra high end Apple desktops to seriously steal a lead on comparable Windows workstations, and thats when you're talking £2500, £3500 plus on the Apple G5 - way out of the re-mit of most home users.

This isn't strictly true. Windows boxes have been more than capable to handling high-end graphics work for many years.

However, when contemplating my latest computer I certainly did weigh up the pros and cons to Mac vs PC, including price.  In order to achieve the same spec as the Mac Pro (2 quad-core Nehalem) desktop I bought, comparable Windows boxes were for the most part more expensive albeit some were £100-200 cheaper.  It's a fallacy to believe that Windows boxes will always be cheaper than Macs.

BTW, the G5 PowerPC's were replaced in '06 by the Intel-based Mac Pro.

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There's plus points and negative points for all the above - If you have simple requirements and are not technically minded, go for the Apple Mac, if you have a little technical skills ... [snip]

I will agree with you that all operating systems have good and bad.  However the 'if you aren't technically minded, get a Mac' is a bit of an insult to those of us are that are extremely technical and have, of one reason or the other, decided Mac is the dog's whats-its.  Before you believe me a typical Mac fan-boy, I have two Mac boxes, two Windows and one Fedora.

The only gripe I've had since switching my primary box to Mac has been iCal's lack of sophistication with repeating ToDo's; however, even that has been overcome by some extremely simple Applescript.
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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2009, 11:12:30 PM »
Mac Vs Windows is an endless debate. Its got more to do with which of the two you are more used to and hence like. Technically, Windows trumps Mac on some aspects (e.g. Loads of common programs run with ease on a windows platform since its designed to work with windows and MAc trumps Windows on others(e.g. Graphics intensive stuff).

Mac - is a bit more pricy than windows, though its relatively less problematic to use overall.
Windows- Cheaper compared to Mac, but has some issues from time to time. For a home user, perhaps unaware, the problems are susually associated with applications that keep running in the background, e.g Anti virus software such Norton, which hog alot of the processing power and memory. I particularly i'm not happy with the Norton application. Being a geek, people ask me for help form time to time. I begin by asking if i can remove/disable Norton from their system, ;D, and it helps more than not.

I have used Vista for a while, cant remember of any problems that i havn't been able to fix. Also, i'm not one who runs after every update Microsoft dishes out for the system. I choose what can be on my system and works fine for me. I have used Mac too, and find it good for 'showing it off' purposes,  :-[, not much else.  :)


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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2009, 08:44:00 AM »
And those of us who are high-end, power users who just want it to work also give thumbs up to the Mac.
 

After nearly 20 years of cleaning up behind Windows, to be honest I am sick of it.  I want something that is elegant, intuitive, that works, that doesn't take my precious time to tweak and clean.  Apple has delivered that.

This isn't strictly true. Windows boxes have been more than capable to handling high-end graphics work for many years.

However, when contemplating my latest computer I certainly did weigh up the pros and cons to Mac vs PC, including price.  In order to achieve the same spec as the Mac Pro (2 quad-core Nehalem) desktop I bought, comparable Windows boxes were for the most part more expensive albeit some were £100-200 cheaper.  It's a fallacy to believe that Windows boxes will always be cheaper than Macs.

BTW, the G5 PowerPC's were replaced in '06 by the Intel-based Mac Pro.

I will agree with you that all operating systems have good and bad.  However the 'if you aren't technically minded, get a Mac' is a bit of an insult to those of us are that are extremely technical and have, of one reason or the other, decided Mac is the dog's whats-its.  Before you believe me a typical Mac fan-boy, I have two Mac boxes, two Windows and one Fedora.

The only gripe I've had since switching my primary box to Mac has been iCal's lack of sophistication with repeating ToDo's; however, even that has been overcome by some extremely simple Applescript.

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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2009, 10:18:33 AM »
OMG, I want to throw this laptop OUT the f*&^king window to get rid of Vista!

EVERY SINGLE DAY it shuts down to 'configure updates'.  It takes forever to do so, fails to do so, then I get this message saying it's running start up repairs, then I have to restart ito to get McAffee's to run at all.

There is NOTHING on this computer at all, not even MS Office.  No photos, no music, just what came from teh factory, which isn't much.

I have no idea what is causing this but it is driving me right round the f*&^ing twist.


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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2009, 10:46:28 AM »
WestHighlandWay, as mentioned above ....  August 31, 2009, 11:14:05 AM .... I have absolutely no Microsoft software on my computer at all ... and there is a link there to a decent free alternative operating system.

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I have to restart ito to get McAffee's to run at all.

Do appreciate that McAffee and the like are only necessary at all because of fundamental security problems in Windows. Thankfully I have no such concerns, using Ubuntu as I do.
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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2009, 05:01:39 PM »
Thanks, John!  But I'm a real Luddite.  I can hardly turn this thing on, I can't see myself being able to install a new operating system, tbh.

Think I might flog this laptop and get one that has some other operating system on it.

Never had this problem with anything other than Vista.

It shut itself down again to 'configure updates', then failed. 

Then all of the sudden, I was unable to connect to the internet.  Yep, I re-booted.

So now I'm on the PC which has XP because I can't get online with Vista.

I'm really annoyed.  Had hoped to use the laptop for a lot of things, but can't.

I used to have iTunes on it, then got this message that there was no QuickTime and I needed to uninstall iTunes and re-install it. 

Oh, also all these messages that there was a new update of Java, whatever that is, to install.  All attempts to do that failed.

I really need something more idiot-proof and reliable.


Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2009, 05:38:54 PM »
Thanks, John!  But I'm a real Luddite.  I can hardly turn this thing on, I can't see myself being able to install a new operating system, tbh.

Think I might flog this laptop and get one that has some other operating system on it.

Never had this problem with anything other than Vista.

It shut itself down again to 'configure updates', then failed. 

Then all of the sudden, I was unable to connect to the internet.  Yep, I re-booted.

So now I'm on the PC which has XP because I can't get online with Vista.

I'm really annoyed.  Had hoped to use the laptop for a lot of things, but can't.

I used to have iTunes on it, then got this message that there was no QuickTime and I needed to uninstall iTunes and re-install it. 

Oh, also all these messages that there was a new update of Java, whatever that is, to install.  All attempts to do that failed.

I really need something more idiot-proof and reliable.


I have had this same problem.  It's a virus causing your machine to turn itself off.  We had to strip our last computer down and reload everything. I would be in the middle of something (usually important) and it would shut down all by itself.  The virus/trojan horse (whatever) was a nasty little bug that kept us from installing updates, especially security updates.  Have you checked on Major Geeks.com?  THey've got a lot of free software for getting rid of the bugs.

However, we still pick up something at least once a week on the computer we have now (vista operating system). We have to reinstall quicktime and flash player daily. Plus there's always major problems connecting with internet explorer.  I don't know what my husband does to fix it though- neither does he. LOL!


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Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2009, 07:43:41 PM »
Ah as an IT person I hate Vista too.  XP is so much easier to navigate.  I've heard windows 7 isn't much better.  Microsoft OS's really wasn't designed for non IT people.  They are just trying to keep us techs in business.  As for Mac, I've used a few and their Safari crashes nonstop.  I've never gone back to one.  There are just more and better apps for Windows.  In any case NEVER buy software that just came out, especially operating systems.  Wait until most bugs have been worked out or just stay with your current and trusty OS.  If you must buy a new PC try to get one custom built so you can choose your own OS.  This is why some organizations are slower to upgrade to the latest and greatest.


Re: How Many Other HATE...WINDOWS VISTA??????????? I do!!!
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2009, 08:00:28 PM »
  Microsoft OS's really wasn't designed for non IT people.  They are just trying to keep us techs in business. 

Yeah, because for people like me, whatever is causing this (and you're probably right julie.bug!), I can't even get online to fix it.


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