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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2009, 07:23:34 PM »
I did let the headteacher know that this is the second year in a row that the same teacher has made an anti-American sentiment in school and my son takes the rath of it.

There was an investigation, teaching assistant and 3 other kids in the class questioned and he was reprimanded.

I did tell the headteacher that this teacher has a right to his opinions but the rules of discrimination mean he keeps his opinions to himself during school hours.

I did get a written apology to me and my son and that makes me happy.

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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2009, 07:38:44 PM »
Glad to see there was a response from the school!  :D








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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2009, 09:59:26 PM »
Good result!


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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2009, 02:00:09 PM »
Thanks all.

I wrote an email after getting the step by step account of what happened. This was a tech class and they were referring to a tool and the "crazy Americans call it..."  Which insinuated that because Americans call it something different, we are wrong as well as crazy.

I wrote direct to the headmaster and copied it to my son's mentor at school. I hope they do something.

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God, good for you. I don't think it was malicious, but it does seem to be completely acceptable to slam Americans.

It is really hurtful and, if I overhear it, will say something like, "replace the word 'American' with 'black person' and see if it still sounds acceptable to say".

That usually gets the point across.



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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2009, 10:24:34 PM »
Well, I don't know if these qualify for 'Anti-America,' but I have noticed many of my lecturers whenever they need an extreme example of something 'bad,' it's an example of an American system. And often, much of the information and or examples are stretched. For example, we were talking about voting and disfranchisement. My lecturer, Australian if any relevance, said 'blacks couldn't vote in the US until the 1960s."

Maybe he said 'parts of the US,' can't remember for sure, but even before the 15th amendment, blacks could vote as early as 1776 in states like Delaware, New York and Massachusetts. After the 15th amendment, many states disfranchised many blacks and even many whites with 'grandfather clauses,' literacy tests, etc.

The same lecturer also said that if you are incarcerated in the US, you lose your right to vote. Again, don't know the laws of every single state, but I believe you have 'civil death' if you commit a felony and even then I believe that Kentucky and Virginia are the only states that say you permanently lose your right to vote if you commit a felony.
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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2009, 11:28:51 PM »
Vermont doesn't even remove it for most felons during their prison sentences.


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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2009, 12:37:27 AM »
The same lecturer also said that if you are incarcerated in the US, you lose your right to vote. Again, don't know the laws of every single state, but I believe you have 'civil death' if you commit a felony and even then I believe that Kentucky and Virginia are the only states that say you permanently lose your right to vote if you commit a felony.

12 states impose loss of voting after release if convicted of a felony BUT this is not a clear cut case for each of these states, ie Mississippi has a list of 21 felony convictions which will result in permanent loss of vote, Mississippi allows felony convicts to vote while incarcerated IF they are not one of the 21 listed felonies.

It varies widely from state to state.
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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2009, 10:11:52 AM »
Well, I don't know if these qualify for 'Anti-America,' but I have noticed many of my lecturers whenever they need an extreme example of something 'bad,' it's an example of an American system. And often, much of the information and or examples are stretched. For example, we were talking about voting and disfranchisement. My lecturer, Australian if any relevance, said 'blacks couldn't vote in the US until the 1960s."




I hope you told him that women couldn't vote in Britain until 1918 and what the hell does the system in the 60s got to do with today's system?



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The same lecturer also said that if you are incarcerated in the US, you lose your right to vote. Again, don't know the laws of every single state, but I believe you have 'civil death' if you commit a felony and even then I believe that Kentucky and Virginia are the only states that say you permanently lose your right to vote if you commit a felony.



Nothing quite like checking the facts, is there  ::)


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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2009, 10:39:29 AM »
Voting rights of ex-felons, by state

Here's the link I used

http://felonvoting.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=286

All a bit confusing as one link states for Mississippi voting loss is permanent for 21 type felonies, the other link states 10.  ??? Probably best to look under individual states if one is after exactness. But I think we'd all agree that the lecturer should have looked at something before making sweeping generalisations.

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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2009, 11:59:10 AM »
So according to Sweetpeach's link I was wrong.  Vermont doesn't remove it for anyone even during their incarceration.  For some reason I thought there were some convictions that would interfere with a prisoner's voting rights.

As much as there are probably many people who disagree with me on this, I think that Vermont sets a good example.  In the very least, they should automatically resume when someone is released from prison, even if it is for parole.  To me it's not for the felons that this is a good thing, but for those who have similar names to felons (sometimes even remotely similar). 


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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2009, 12:10:34 PM »
My lecturer, Australian if any relevance, said 'blacks couldn't vote in the US until the 1960s."

You should remind him that Aborignes in Australia did not get the same voting rights as white colonials until the 1960s.


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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2009, 01:08:50 PM »
So according to Sweetpeach's link I was wrong.  Vermont doesn't remove it for anyone even during their incarceration.  For some reason I thought there were some convictions that would interfere with a prisoner's voting rights.
No you were correct the first time. SP's link shows No disenfranchisement for people with criminal convictions.
My link tallies with the above: Vermont has unrestricted voting rights for felons, incarcerated or not as does Maine.

I think that denial of prisoners' voting rights is wrong. As I said in that other thread, voting is, or should be, a citizen's inalienable right. Period. 
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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2009, 01:26:18 PM »
No you were correct the first time. SP's link shows No disenfranchisement for people with criminal convictions.
My link tallies with the above: Vermont has unrestricted voting rights for felons, incarcerated or not as does Maine.

I think that denial of prisoners' voting rights is wrong. As I said in that other thread, voting is, or should be, a citizen's inalienable right. Period. 

Thankfully, I believe, Ayoubob, that there is movement towards completely sacking disfranchisement against prisoners.

Again, not quite Anti-America, just...wrong. Another one of my lecturers said that, it is much more difficult to register to vote in the US, in Britain where they send you forms in the post, it is very easy here. I sat there thinking...'um, I sent my registration through the mail and I could check online to see if they received my information...not really hard.'

Not malicious...just wrong.
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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2009, 01:52:22 PM »
No you were correct the first time. SP's link shows No disenfranchisement for people with criminal convictions.
My link tallies with the above: Vermont has unrestricted voting rights for felons, incarcerated or not as does Maine.

I was pointing out that I had said that Vermont restricted it for some prisoners, but really they don't restrict them for any.



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