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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2009, 05:30:35 PM »
"'Shin 'tin" doesn't bother me too much because I can get that.  It's when they say things like "It's nut jannock" or "'Ee taks noa gawm" that throw me off. 

I don't have a clue what any of those are supposed to mean.   :-\\\\

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The way my hubby pronounces it, it sounds with 'carriage'.

That's what I was getting at:  There's one common British pronunciation which makes garage sound like /ga-ridge/ and the other in which the basic sounds are similar to American/French, but with the stress moved to the first syllable.
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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2009, 06:01:56 PM »
Shin 'tin = she isn't in (my BIL) says this all the time when I call to speak to my MIL)

It's nut jannock = it's not fair (heard that one quite a bit when going through the visa application process)

Ee taks noa gawm = he doesn't pay attention (BIL says this all the time about hubby)

Don't ask me where all that comes from...I stopped trying to understand the reasoning behind phrases when my hubby spent 30 minutes explaining to me the origin of "a bird in hand is better than two in the bush"...I just ask hubby for the simple translation, minus the history lesson.


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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2009, 08:41:30 PM »
"...I just ask hubby for the simple translation, minus the history lesson.

Yes, I'm always in need of English to English translations. :D
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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2009, 08:43:27 PM »
Shin 'tin = she isn't in (my BIL) says this all the time when I call to speak to my MIL)

It's nut jannock = it's not fair (heard that one quite a bit when going through the visa application process)

Ee taks noa gawm = he doesn't pay attention (BIL says this all the time about hubby)

Don't ask me where all that comes from...I stopped trying to understand the reasoning behind phrases when my hubby spent 30 minutes explaining to me the origin of "a bird in hand is better than two in the bush"...I just ask hubby for the simple translation, minus the history lesson.

LOL! I don't know about Yorkshire dialects, but you can look up some Geordie "dictionaries" online that explain not only what the words mean (in Queen's English) but also where the "slang" comes from, which is extremely interesting - some of it is a mix of Roman and Norse language from ancient times. There is a historical wall here called Hadrian's Wall and on that wall is Roman graffiti - some of those words are still used in this area today. All of the villages here have different accents, too, so some of the locals can tell if someone lives in a different village less than 10 miles away! I guess the language is more or less preserved because people tend to not stray from the area - my FIL has lived in different houses on the same street for his entire life - over 70 years. Our surname goes back a long, long way in this village.  :)


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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2009, 09:01:59 PM »
When I was visiting Tim for 6 months, it was just after I had spent 2 months living in Canada. Growing up, I spent a lot of time traveling to Canada, and so I developed a slight Canadian lilt to my voice...which REALLY came out strong when I was there for 2 months. Since I only spent 2 weeks in the US between the trips, I still talked Canadian and you can hear it in all the vlogs I sent back.

Surprisingly, when I was back for the short visit, I still softened my US accent and sounded more Canadian than American again. 
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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2009, 01:52:06 AM »
Even after 20 odd years I don't think I developed a Yorkshire or even British accent.  However, just one week in "Norn Iron" (Northern Ireland to the rest of you) and I picked that up.
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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2009, 04:37:14 PM »
Shin 'tin = she isn't in (my BIL) says this all the time when I call to speak to my MIL)

Makes sense now it's explained.

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It's nut jannock = it's not fair (heard that one quite a bit when going through the visa application process)

Ee taks noa gawm = he doesn't pay attention (BIL says this all the time about hubby)

But those are completely alien terms. 

Even many of us who grew up in one part of this small country can't understand dialects from the other areas, so don't feel too bad about it.   :) 

And Glaswegian is definitely not English with an accent.  It's a completely different language which just happens to have about four words which are close enough to English to be comprehensible.   ;)
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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #52 on: October 13, 2009, 04:45:34 PM »
And Glaswegian is definitely not English with an accent.  It's a completely different language which just happens to have about four words which are close enough to English to be comprehensible.   ;)


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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #53 on: October 13, 2009, 05:46:34 PM »
And Glaswegian is definitely not English with an accent.  It's a completely different language which just happens to have about four words which are close enough to English to be comprehensible.   ;)


Glaswegian is easy(ish) (having a Glaswegian granny helped) compared to Doric, the language (note I say language, not dialect) of Aberdeenshire. Then it breaks down further with more, very distinct variations for different areas. Doric has Norse, French and Gaelic influences, therefore, it is a tad different to the lowland and highland tongues.

I can understand most of the Aberdeen city accents and words but Doric is all Greek (funny that because Doric is some sort of Greek architecture).

And Peterhead, hell even Aberdonians need an interpreter.

Fou's yer doos?  Anyone care to take a stab at the reply?
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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #54 on: October 13, 2009, 06:53:17 PM »
Fou's yer doos?  Anyone care to take a stab at the reply?

Sounds like something Tyler Perry's Madea would say...

"Good Morn-ting.  How yer durin?"

I know what you mean about it being a completely different language though.  My hubby's family and a lot of his friends speak Tyke...thank goodness he doesn't...but I have a really hard time carrying on an entire conversation with them.
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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #55 on: October 13, 2009, 07:05:11 PM »
Fou's yer doos?  Anyone care to take a stab at the reply?

No, thank you. I already had one today.
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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #56 on: October 13, 2009, 09:21:55 PM »
I know what you mean about it being a completely different language though.  My hubby's family and a lot of his friends speak Tyke...thank goodness he doesn't...but I have a really hard time carrying on an entire conversation with them.

Well, to be honest, they could try harder to make themselves understood. Even the broadest of my relatives and work colleagues try to say things in a way that will make sense to me. Not as much now, because they can see I understand most people around here now, but at first, when they could see I was struggling, they were nice enough to at least take a stab at speaking proper English to make themselves understood and make it easier on me to have a conversation with them. My DH made a point to tell people if they were speaking a bit too broad for me to understand once in a while. A lot of people, when they could see I was confused, would apologize and phrase things differently so I could understand them better. Maybe your husband could ask his friends and relatives to try harder to speak "posh" for you. At any rate, people with heavy dialect should at least know how to express themselves in a manner that most people would understand, when they need to. They usually do know how to do that, they just don't want to for whatever reason. (I guess they may see it as being fake, but to an outsider, it just makes communication so much easier.)


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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2009, 09:36:28 PM »
Well, to be honest, they could try harder to make themselves understood. Even the broadest of my relatives and work colleagues try to say things in a way that will make sense to me. Not as much now, because they can see I understand most people around here now, but at first, when they could see I was struggling, they were nice enough to at least take a stab at speaking proper English to make themselves understood and make it easier on me to have a conversation with them. My DH made a point to tell people if they were speaking a bit too broad for me to understand once in a while. A lot of people, when they could see I was confused, would apologize and phrase things differently so I could understand them better. Maybe your husband could ask his friends and relatives to try harder to speak "posh" for you. At any rate, people with heavy dialect should at least know how to express themselves in a manner that most people would understand, when they need to. They usually do know how to do that, they just don't want to for whatever reason. (I guess they may see it as being fake, but to an outsider, it just makes communication so much easier.)

This is very true and it has been brought up.  One of the problems with this theory is that they will speak to me in more proper English (when they remember and haven't had too much to drink!), but they still speak to each other with slang and dialect.  So I guess technically, I can carry on a conversation with them (somewhat)...but I'm unable to participate in group conversations...or have any clue about what's going on around me.  The thing what makes it even more complicated is that his friends and family come from all over (his bestfriend is from London and speaks cockney) so it's not just one dialect to get used to, it's several.  I know I'll get the hang of it...eventually...just part of the adjustment period.


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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2009, 10:58:17 PM »
This is very true and it has been brought up.  One of the problems with this theory is that they will speak to me in more proper English (when they remember and haven't had too much to drink!), but they still speak to each other with slang and dialect.  So I guess technically, I can carry on a conversation with them (somewhat)...but I'm unable to participate in group conversations...or have any clue about what's going on around me.  The thing what makes it even more complicated is that his friends and family come from all over (his bestfriend is from London and speaks cockney) so it's not just one dialect to get used to, it's several.  I know I'll get the hang of it...eventually...just part of the adjustment period.

Oh, well, yeah. They do tend to speak to each other normally, which does exclude you a bit in group conversations! I used to just gloss over so much when in a group conversation that I didn't know when someone was speaking to me directly. I'd just get lost in my own thoughts because it was too tiring to keep up with what was going on. But, now I can follow along just fine, so I'm sure you will be able to, also, once you get used to it. It will happen.  :)


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Re: Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?
« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2009, 11:00:32 PM »
I might just create my own language...and talk to myself in it...so none of them can understand me...see how they like that.  Hmph!


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