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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #90 on: October 27, 2009, 10:12:08 AM »
One of the things that I find strange (not sure why, to be honest) is that people in the UK are *not* more polite than people in the US.  I'm not sure where this theory of mine began (probably from my hubby) but it has been a bit of a culture shock that people aren't overly-polite.  I come from the Southern US where people were extremely polite (Southern hospitality type mentality) so I've been sadly disappointed at how rude some people in the UK seem to be (i.e. bumping into you on the sidewalk, refusing to move their giant prams from the middle of the isle, etc.).

Also, I don't know if this is universal to all of the UK or just the area we live in...but the way people are always shouting at each other in hateful tones.  To me, this is highly disrespectful but around here, it just seems like a "normal" way of communicating.  Some of the tones I've heard kids speaking to their parents is quite shocking to me but the parents don't seem to mind.  They aren't even arguing with each other; it's just really nasty replies to simple questions.  Also cursing seems to be more acceptable here.  I've seen dozens of children (maybe around 10 or so) dropping the "F Bomb" all over the place and no one finds this strange...as I'm stood there with my jaw on the ground.  And it seems a lot of very underage kids are smoking in public also.  Like I said, not sure if that's everywhere or just around here.  Just a few shocking differences I've noticed.


Another pet hate. Now, I'm very wary of enlisting stereotypical statements about Brits as I want to punch anyone in the face that says, "typical Americans :roll: " but kids are SO disrespectful here and parents will (on the whole, it seems to me at least) defend to the death their rights to BE disrespectful.

Kids here really do have a sense of entitlement. I have no idea if it's the same in the US, but I have never felt intimidated by 13 year olds, walking down the street in Glendale, but you get it here all the time.


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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #91 on: October 27, 2009, 10:16:47 AM »
My area now reminds me of Park Slope, in Brooklyn..and it's the same Saturday/Sunday morning dodging of the overpriced strollers.  That I didn't find that much different.    Now, I would say shock is probably too strong a word, but I was really surprised at how quickly people walk.  And I'm a New Yorker, so I thought I was walking at a pretty good clip already!  But people fly past me.  Granted, I'm five foot nothing, so my stride is shorter..but still.  (And now it makes me oddly competitive, so I start walking faster, and I'm damn near jogging by the time I get to the tube station).  Silly.

Other than that, I kind of knew that things would be significantly different, so I wasn't so much shocked, just knew I needed to adapt.   

I was surprised at how early the coffee places closed, though - as someone mentioned earlier. 



Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #92 on: October 27, 2009, 10:18:52 AM »

Another pet hate. Now, I'm very wary of enlisting stereotypical statements about Brits as I want to punch anyone in the face that says, "typical Americans :roll: " but kids are SO disrespectful here and parents will (on the whole, it seems to me at least) defend to the death their rights to BE disrespectful.

Kids here really do have a sense of entitlement. I have no idea if it's the same in the US, but I have never felt intimidated by 13 year olds, walking down the street in Glendale, but you get it here all the time.


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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #93 on: October 27, 2009, 10:27:23 AM »
Hmm. Culture shock. Been here five years, not here permanently (god help me if I am!). Most of the posts so far I recognize one way or another. The weird, kind of bad manners, the inability to maneuver down the street. A lot of this I never consciously registered. I just fell into a long term low level irritation every time I walked into the street. I've finally started riding a bike, which massively helps as it's great fun and I only have to deal with people in cars as potential killers of me, not as individual bodies to avoid. But the crowds are so odd. Why is it such total misery to walk down Oxford Street? Yes, it's crowded, but it is impossible to avoid bumping into people without becoming quite aggressive. My friend from New York has come to visit a few times. She always says I walk much faster than I used to and it disconcerts her. I've spent much of my life in cities- New York as a kid, then Chicago, L.A., San Francisco and Mexico City as an adult before London. I have never had to be as aggressive just to move as I am in London. I don't know if I should say I'm aggressive, I'm polite and never actually bump into people, but I see the crowds as a kind of broken video game I need to dive through just to get to the other side. In New York the crowds flow, it's kind of amazing how it happens.
 
In response to the post below: body checking? Do you mean men looking at you? Hmm. IN my many years here I have never even felt the eyes of a man graze across my body (I'm only half joking). It's one of the drearier aspects of living here, that I need to go to Europe or America just to flirt (I'm married, just like to feel alive every now and then!). Sunny days are the exception. As for cereal, that was another long, long struggle, finding an edible daily cereal. I used to eat granola and banana nut crunch from Trader Joe's. Britain is obviously fond of cereal but it just doesn't match what you get in the U.S. bulk bins or pretty much anywhere. The cereals are sometimes ickily sweetened and there just isn't anything as wonderful as Kashi. I eat this cheap stuff they're always discontinuing and, yes, Cheerios. Jordans has a few decent flavors as well.


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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2009, 10:38:13 AM »
In response to the post below: body checking? Do you mean men looking at you?

Oh god, no!  Sorry, it's the residual college ice hockey fan coming out!   :D I just meant the aggressive full-on body slam I get if I don't yield to the person walking straight into me.  It took a while to realize that there wasn't a correct side to take -- it's more of a free for all.  I feel like I'm in Frogger and instead of weaving between cars, I'm weaving between people. 

Granted, I'm in a heavily touristy area, and I think some people are just overwhelmed and aren't paying attention.  At least, that is what I tell myself when I get really cranky. 


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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #95 on: October 27, 2009, 10:46:18 AM »
Hmm. Culture shock. Been here five years, not here permanently (god help me if I am!). Most of the posts so far I recognize one way or another. The weird, kind of bad manners, the inability to maneuver down the street. A lot of this I never consciously registered. I just fell into a long term low level irritation every time I walked into the street. I've finally started riding a bike, which massively helps as it's great fun and I only have to deal with people in cars as potential killers of me, not as individual bodies to avoid. But the crowds are so odd. Why is it such total misery to walk down Oxford Street? Yes, it's crowded, but it is impossible to avoid bumping into people without becoming quite aggressive. My friend from New York has come to visit a few times. She always says I walk much faster than I used to and it disconcerts her. I've spent much of my life in cities- New York as a kid, then Chicago, L.A., San Francisco and Mexico City as an adult before London. I have never had to be as aggressive just to move as I am in London. I don't know if I should say I'm aggressive, I'm polite and never actually bump into people, but I see the crowds as a kind of broken video game I need to dive through just to get to the other side. In New York the crowds flow, it's kind of amazing how it happens.
 
In response to the post below: body checking? Do you mean men looking at you? Hmm. IN my many years here I have never even felt the eyes of a man graze across my body (I'm only half joking). It's one of the drearier aspects of living here, that I need to go to Europe or America just to flirt (I'm married, just like to feel alive every now and then!). Sunny days are the exception. As for cereal, that was another long, long struggle, finding an edible daily cereal. I used to eat granola and banana nut crunch from Trader Joe's. Britain is obviously fond of cereal but it just doesn't match what you get in the U.S. bulk bins or pretty much anywhere. The cereals are sometimes ickily sweetened and there just isn't anything as wonderful as Kashi. I eat this cheap stuff they're always discontinuing and, yes, Cheerios. Jordans has a few decent flavors as well.

No, body checking means when someone squares their shoulders to slam into you.


Re: Any culture shock?
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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #97 on: October 27, 2009, 12:22:01 PM »
OK probably a minority here, but when I came back, I found cigarettes had a totally different taste, even the popular US brands.

If I had to say one thing that truly shocked me, it would have been the politics of the day: Labour vs Tory. This was Labour at the beginning of Thatcher's reign. And in Scotland. I became very aware of politics outside of the mould of an-everything-to-the-right-of-middle that I was brought upon in our family. I was just amazed at how much politics played a part in peoples life. I'm not saying people in the US aren't into politics but my friends and I back in the states never discussed politics at all. I suppose it was something that couldn't be avoided in those days of strikes and huge social and economic changes taking place. I was, in those days, a fascist according to my ' communist' GF. We had some really heated discussions that sometimes ended with cup of coffee being dumped in the fire and harsh good byes for the night (between that and the driving thing surprised we ever managed to make it to the alter, but we did - that's another shocker for another thread  ;) ) But yes, I found politics here a bit of shocker.

A few other items that didn't shock me as such but found different and took a little adjusting to (bear in mind this was a long time ago):

coin fed electric meters
light switches
switches on electric sockets
the dollop of cream at the top of the milk bottle
immersion heaters
wardrobes (free standing closets)


... a bell on their pram!!! What!?

Did they have any head lamps? Indicators could be useful.

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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #98 on: October 27, 2009, 12:25:37 PM »
I feel like I'm in Frogger and instead of weaving between cars, I'm weaving between people. 


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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #99 on: October 27, 2009, 12:28:25 PM »


Did they have any head lamps? Indicators could be useful.




yeah, but would they use them?


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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #100 on: October 27, 2009, 12:44:20 PM »
I lived here as a student in 2001 and again in 2002-2003. I returned on my spousal visa in 2006. I was shocked to see the difference in the amount of antisocial behaviour among kids and teens when I returned. It was especially shocking because it seemed to happen in such a short amount of time. I have lived roughly in the same areas, so it's not just about moving to a new area.


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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #101 on: October 27, 2009, 12:59:46 PM »

yeah, but would they use them?

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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #102 on: October 27, 2009, 01:03:33 PM »
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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #103 on: October 27, 2009, 01:16:16 PM »
I lived here as a student in 2001 and again in 2002-2003. I returned on my spousal visa in 2006. I was shocked to see the difference in the amount of antisocial behaviour among kids and teens when I returned. It was especially shocking because it seemed to happen in such a short amount of time. I have lived roughly in the same areas, so it's not just about moving to a new area.

The same with me.  Came as a student in 96-97, as Bunac in 99-00, back as Bunac in 05 and now as a spouse.  The difference is shocking. 


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Re: Any culture shock?
« Reply #104 on: October 27, 2009, 01:30:09 PM »
The main difference is that the US formula uses high fructose corn syrup and I think everywhere or almost everywhere else uses sugar. Apparently in the US you can buy the Mexican version in some shops and it tastes different to what you'll buy in the next shop because of that.

Just my opinion but I find that the difference isn't between the sugar and HFCS but that the UK drinks usually add an artificial sweetner in addition to the sugar.  For me it is the artificial sweetner that I can taste.  I have had soda that is sugar only (particularly Dr Pepper from Ireland) and to me there is very little taste difference to HFCS.

And why oh why is there a need to add artificial sweetner if you already have sugar in there.  Aspartame is gross.


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