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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2009, 08:42:55 AM »
When people ask me where I am from, I say "New York" despite the fact they probably think that means I was raised in Manhattan.  When people ask me what nationality I am, I say American.  When they ask my ethnicity, I say Welsh American.

In truth, my father is Welsh, Irish, German, English, African American, Native American, and 100% Yankee.  My biological mother was Irish, French Canadian, Italian, and Scottish.  I was semi-adopted into my step-mother's family, and that is where the Welsh American comes in.  My step-mother's mother was the child of Welsh immigrants and her father the child of Scottish immigrants.  We lived in a community that still had strong Welsh cultural influences, and for some reason we sort of ignored my taid's ethnicity, and went with the Welsh bit.  I had no real appreciation for how much that culture influenced how our family life went until I lived a while amongst the "non-Welsh".

I don't identify with all the other bits of my "heritage".  I don't identify as multi-racial because people don't identify me as multi-racial.  I am not ashamed of it, and I wouldn't have a problem if someone recognised it in me.  I cannot say that I faced any of the challenges that my half-siblings whose fathers were black or latino faced, so I feel really weird even bringing it up.  I was raised Welsh-American, and that's what I am.  I don't really have a problem with people doing the "one bit this and two parts that" thing.  I find it cute.

I have run into British people who bang on about their ethnicity or from whom they are descended (come on, I know many of you have met the great-great-great-great grand niece of Oliver Cromwell's best buddy or whatever) , so I don't think it's a uniquely American thing.  Maybe it's the British influence (and the fact that Britain is such an amalgamation of cultures, both through immigration and conquest) that helped give the American tendency to do this to perhaps a bit more of an extreme sometimes.


Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2009, 09:40:31 AM »
I find it a relief to live here and not have to explain that I'm actually just boring American.  I have a German Great Grandmother and a PA Dutch Grampa but pretty much everybody else came over right after the Mayflower.  I always felt really awkward in the 'I'm Irish.  I'm Italian.  I'm Polish' conversations.

I grew up with this family who were SO Irish. Irish, Irish, Irish.  They went on and on about it SO much.  Well, I was looking for my friend on Facebook and every single person in the WORLD with their last name is NOT Irish but is French.  I laughed and laughed.


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« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2009, 11:07:00 AM »
It's a funny question.  I personally wouldn't jump to point out that I was a quarter such and such.  Then again with me it's also a question of do I go with my biological ethnicity (I'm adopted) or the ethnicity I was raised with?  I'm biologically of French and Portuguese ethnicity but I never felt particularly either of those.  Otherwise I'm half Polish-American, a quarter Irish-American, and a quarter Portuguese-American.  Of those, other than the occasional food (more to do with the heavy Portuguese settlement in my area) I didn't grow up particularly with Portuguese or Irish culture.  My Dad's parents spoke Polish (they were both the children of immigrants) so I know a smattering of words and some foods but I don't feel terribly Polish either. 

Now if someone were to ask me I'd probably just say I'm a dual American and British citizen originally from Massachusetts.
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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2009, 12:24:35 PM »
Hi there 100% English person here. I think in Europe things are a little different people have moved between distinct countries quite often, for example my grandad is Dutch and my other is Irish, however I was born in England and so I am English ... I say I'm English as I was born here not because of my ancestors have been here centuries as clearly they have not.

See, now my husband would say that you're British but not English.  He's another who doesn't understand why people say they're "Irish-American" or "Italian-American" and not just "American."   

I'm another "just American" who identifies with the country more than any state.  My mom is part Welsh, and loves the idea of Welshness so much that she pretends the percentage is bigger than it really is and goes on about her Celtic character, completely ignoring the parts of her that are English and Native American.  And my dad is part Irish which she blames for everything she doesn't like about him, so she pretends that my brother and I have no Irish in us  ::).  Honestly, though, the percentages are so small at this point that it's utterly ridiculous to mention them at all, much less think that they actually have any influence on our personalities.     
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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2009, 01:21:09 PM »
I actually have a harder time determining which part of America I'm from, let alone being 1/4 of this and 1/16 of that! If someone asks me where I'm from and I say I'm 'American' I dread for them to ask me which part. I lived in Maryland for 8 years before moved overseas, but my family is in PA and that's where I grew up. I never know what to say without saying all of it and I don't think anyone really cares that much!  :P


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« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2009, 02:21:14 PM »
I'm another "just American" who identifies with the country more than any state.  My mom is part Welsh, and loves the idea of Welshness so much that she pretends the percentage is bigger than it really is and goes on about her Celtic character, completely ignoring the parts of her that are English and Native American.  And my dad is part Irish which she blames for everything she doesn't like about him, so she pretends that my brother and I have no Irish in us  ::).  Honestly, though, the percentages are so small at this point that it's utterly ridiculous to mention them at all, much less think that they actually have any influence on our personalities.     

Haha! I love it!

But in all honesty though, I believe this business of quarter, lets say Irish, that isn't necessarily for our duties (ex:military, taxes) as a person of Irish identity. For me it was always fun to run into another person with Middle Eastern parents and exchange stories. Again, not just about duty, but affiliation since in America we are all technically immigrants. Also, many don't feel like they have a 'true' culture since they're American, and there is a huge misconception that Americans don't have a culture  ??? ::)

I actually had an Irish-English person come up to me and when after he asked where in the states I was from, he asked 'what kind of American?' I told it was interesting that he had asked because most would just leave it at American. I attribute him asking to the fact that most of his family is Irish in origin and he has family scattered all around the world (UK, Australia, America).
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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2009, 03:17:26 PM »
OK. I may get called out here for making a very general statement but, I think what we can summarise here is that saying one is AMERICAN is like saying you are EUROPEAN.

When asked in the US where you are from you say the State, right. America is a Continent. Europe is a Continent (at least it was the last time I checked my primary school geography knowledge) Just like when you are let's say in France, you say you are from France not just oh I am from EUROPE.

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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2009, 04:10:43 PM »



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I wouldn't agree with that.  American is your nationality.  Europe isn't a nation.  It's a continent.  The USA is a nation.  I'm from PA but I wouldn't say I was a Pennsylvanian.


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« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2009, 04:20:01 PM »
I'm from PA but I wouldn't say I was a Pennsylvanian.

Different strokes for different folks.. (that is the saying, yeah?) because I do say I'm Illinosian.
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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2009, 04:29:43 PM »
Different strokes for different folks.. (that is the saying, yeah?) because I do say I'm Illinosian.

Instead of saying you're American you say you're Illinoisian? 


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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #85 on: November 14, 2009, 08:31:28 PM »
When asked in the US where you are from you say the State, right.

Actually, I say Philadelphia.  When people in the UK ask where in the US I'm from I say Philadelphia as well.  For me it's the cities (not states) that have the vibe, flavor, essence of place if that makes any sense.  People identify more with that.  Think of Chicago, LA, Austin, Brooklyn (a burrough of a city!) etc.  You immediately get a sense or perhaps a picture in your mind.  I guess that only applies if you're from a city!
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« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2009, 08:40:10 PM »
Actually, I say Philadelphia.  When people in the UK ask where in the US I'm from I say Philadelphia as well.  For me it's the cities (not states) that have the vibe, flavor, essence of place if that makes any sense.  People identify more with that.  Think of Chicago, LA, Austin, Brooklyn (a burrough of a city!) etc.  You immediately get a sense or perhaps a picture in your mind.  I guess that only applies if you're from a city!

Yeah, when asked, I'd answer "US" first, to confirm that I am American and then say "Boston" because I figure most non-Americans know US cities better than US states.  I know I know int'l cities better than a country's states/whateverbreakdownisappropriate.


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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #87 on: November 14, 2009, 08:45:44 PM »
Yeah, when asked, I'd answer "US" first, to confirm that I am American and then say "Boston"
I bet the Brits respond with, "The Boston Tea Party!"  For me it's "The Liberty Bell!" and "Rocky!"
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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #88 on: November 14, 2009, 11:40:11 PM »
I generally just say I'm from Wisconsin, since the American part is pretty obvious.  Then, when I get blank looks, I say 'by Chicago' (which makes a little part of me die inside. :p).

To bring this somewhat back to the original topic though, I would argue that a big part of the reason that different cities or, as some earlier posters mentioned, different regions have their distinct flavors is because of their particular blends of immigration over time.  For example, Wisconsin wouldn't be Wisconsin if it hadn't been settled by so many Germans, Scandinavians and Poles.  Our bratwurst or kielbasa might not be exactly what you'd get in Munich or Warsaw (ours is undoubtedly better, especially the kind with cheese in :D), but we wouldn't be eating it at all if a lot of is weren't 'from' Germany or Poland.  And while I could personally do without ever seeing lutefisk again...it's still part of our culture. 

The idea of self-identifying based on a particular ethnicity is, I think, both old and new.  Originally, it served a very practical purpose.  If you were a newly arrived immigrant, you sought out pockets of people from your home country, whether in a particular city ghetto, or in a particular area of the frontier. This was partly to do with feeling more at home, but also much to do with being able to use that shared connection and culture to your advantage.  You could be more confident of finding help when and if you needed it, if the people living next door, or across the field, had a last name that sounded like yours.  In cities especially, ethnicity could be a very important factor in getting ahead.  Remember when it came out that John Kerry's family was actually Czech, and his grandfather had changed the name in order to be successful in Massachusetts politics?  More recently, I think the emphasis on multi-culturalism has promoted a renewed interest.  When you look around and see that recent immigrants are supposed to be proud of their culture, you think, why not?  It

I also really agree with earlier posters who've argued that telling every British person you meet about your greatx10 grandparent who was Scottish/English/Welsh/Irish (probably whichever the person you're speaking to isn't :)) is a way of trying to connect.  I think that the majority of Americans who go abroad are aware of the fact that lots of people don't like us much.  I think trying to point out that common connection is a way of saying 'Please don't hate me! I'm not George Bush. I'm like you!' 


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Re: I am part .... and part... and a quater ....
« Reply #89 on: November 15, 2009, 11:18:49 AM »
OK. I may get called out here for making a very general statement but, I think what we can summarise here is that saying one is AMERICAN is like saying you are EUROPEAN.

When asked in the US where you are from you say the State, right. America is a Continent. Europe is a Continent (at least it was the last time I checked my primary school geography knowledge) Just like when you are let's say in France, you say you are from France not just oh I am from EUROPE.

This topic has made me very weary, anyone else?

I find it interesting, but in reference to your point the country is the United States of America.  So I disagree that saying American is like saying European.  Besides which everyone in the world knows what you mean, whereas hardly anyone knows where Pennsylvania is.

Also, when I say America most people say, I thought you sounded Canadian, which is just ridiculous.   


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