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Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« on: December 14, 2009, 09:07:46 AM »
Hi all,

I am posting here in the hope of perhaps getting some feedback on some thoughts I have been having of late.  My wife (SalfordUSA) and I are living happily here in the UK with my step daughter.  We applied for and obtained the correct visas.  Some of you may have followed my darling wife's progress on this site.

I am sure that there isn't a single one of us here who, having been through the process, are awaiting to hear, or considering embarking on the process of obtaining a visa to live in the UK, who hasn't had more than a couple of sleepless nights.

It is for this reason, among others, that I have begun to look into the possibility of becoming an Immigration Advisor myself.  I have embarked upon some research as to what is involved, where the training may be acquired and the costs (which may vary) and wondered if this thought has crossed anybody elses mind.  If so perhaps they could share here where they are up to or what knowledge they have gained.

So far I have gleaned that there are three levels of advisor, all of which allow one to advise on different type of visa's (I am sure this is a slight over simplification) and advisors are split into two camps - 'registered' and 'exempt' - the former being those who charge a fee for their services and those who work on a charitable basis (or for a charity.  There is more of course and I am only at the beginning, so if anybody has anything to add, or has any interest, please feel free to post.  I shall look forward to any help, advice or guidance on this matter. 


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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 10:51:48 AM »
A couple of things to consider are whether you want to specialise in UK immigration only, or advise on emigration to other countries. Have you thought about applying to any consultancy firms to get some experience? Or do you want to set up your own consultancy? Also, I don't know your educational background but you may wish to consider qualifying as a solicitor rather than going the OISC route.


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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 12:27:11 PM »
Judging from the pm's and emails I have received from UKY people over the last several years, I can attest that *LOTS* of people have had the same idea.  Most usually the idea of becoming an adviser occurs to people just after they have received an entry clearance.   

That leads me to think that it's pretty much a phasic thing that accompanies the emotional flood that follows an entry clearance application.  The incidence of people wanting to be advisers is a whole lot lower for subsequent in-country applications, and it is null once people naturalize.  So the bottom line is that it's pretty much a temporary phase people go through when they apply for entry clearance.  Of the literally hundreds of enquiries I have received on here about becoming an immigration adviser, I have never seen a person actually progress through all the steps for registration. 

That doesn't mean people are being insincere.  It just means they are going through a phase where they want to become an immigration adviser.  Perhaps this thread is different?  Let's hope so.  Also I emphatically agree with Liz's advice that having real credentials in law is better.

On the positive side, it's interesting work.  I did it for a long time helping people on the family formation side and also helping people who were in detention at Heathrow and Gatwick (i.e., people getting bounced).  I stopped practicing in 2006 and these days I am strictly on the advocacy and lobby side.

To the other question about getting started, you sit the test and then get some pii and meet the other requirements and hang out your shingle!  :)  It's very easy.  The test is easier than the KOL!   :o 

But take careful note that if you go around calling yourself a lawyer just because you passed a 10 question multiple choice test, that I (and others here) will challenge your credibility.   ;D


Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 01:06:12 PM »
But take careful note that if you go around calling yourself a lawyer just because you passed a 10 question multiple choice test, that I (and others here) will challenge your credibility.   ;D

I like my title better anyway...Researcher  ;D

I have looked extensively into getting OISC registered, the process is not that difficult and is clearly explained on the OISC website. I tend to agree with the above replies, and if I had the time and money to go about becoming a solicitor <kicks herself for not following through with law school>  then it's definitely the way to go. But, since I don't, I spend my time here helping others where I can. If it's about making a difference in someones life then you've found the right place...but if you're going into it to make a buck then I wish you good luck.
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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 01:22:14 PM »
Well, as Garry knows, I have looked into it.  I don't know entirely if it is phasic... I am still hanging around, a little bit anyways.  ;D

Becoming an Advisor is pretty straight forward, but I guess you have to ask yourself are you going to actually make it your business?  Being an Advisor is not the most profitable of businesses and there is a lot of competition out there.  Personally, I prefer the Advocacy side of things.  Either way, you need to figure out really how much time you can afford to spend on it versus the things that you do every day, because it can certainly suck your time and cause other difficulties if you aren't careful.

If you are really looking for a job, I would personally consider working for your CAB.  It would then allow you to look at other aspects of helping people out versus just immigration and the UK does need some decent immigration folks working in the CAB.  Another aspect is always consider working from UKBA.  Again, some of the most hard working and caring folks work on the "inside".  Event though we tend to slag them off, we all agree immigration is a difficult things and the more people focused on making the processes better is always welcome.
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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 01:37:29 PM »
Another aspect is always consider working from UKBA.  Again, some of the most hard working and caring folks work on the "inside".  Event though we tend to slag them off, we all agree immigration is a difficult things and the more people focused on making the processes better is always welcome.

Despite being on different sides of the table, I have made some great friends and acquaintances at UKBA.  I get invites to drinks and other do's, and last year we joined up families for a big family day at Legoland, and blah blah blah.  In a recent meeting with them, I'm ashamed to say that the bulk of the meeting got side-tracked into the new Christmas decorations in FarmVille. 

And two of them convinced me that the reindeer loot drop in FarmVille should be sold immediately because it does not pay for space it takes up on the farm!   :o  That's why I promptly deleted all my reindeer.

Although I can heartily agree that some of them are perfect asses (and I have told them so).  But you can find perfect asses everywhere...


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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 01:52:17 PM »
But you can find perfect asses everywhere...

I've not seen too many in these parts...  ;)


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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 01:59:38 PM »
I can't speak for anyone else, but my ass is perfect!  ;D ;D


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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 02:11:03 PM »
I can't speak for anyone else, but my ass is perfect!  ;D ;D

Hehe!!!!  ;D


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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 03:44:07 PM »
I've considered it, and still am considering it a year after my own entry clearance app, so I hope in my case it's not something I'll grow out of.  Right now I have a lot of things to sort out in my personal and professional life so I don't have the time and energy to put towards it, but six months or a year from now, who knows?  I don't think I'd do it professionally, but maybe as a volunteer or even just so that I can speak with a bit more authority on UKY!  If it's something you feel strongly about, starcrossed, I say go for it! 
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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 03:54:35 PM »
And to be totally fair, the JCWI's course in Level 1 is the best course in the world for this sort of thing.  Next come ARIA's courses.  ILPA does not offer a course in Level 1, but if they did the JCWI's course would *still* be better.

Starcrossed, you have difficulty getting in touch with them or if they are buggering you about, let me know.  There's a big pow-wow this Friday and all the groups I mentioned above will be there.


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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 04:01:43 PM »
I'm actually doing it.  I'm a trainee caseworker for a charity that I don't suppose I should name in sort of a public place (although I don't know how many charities in the UK make it their business to do immigration work??

In any event, the pay's crap (especially when your other half decides he prefers living with the other woman and leaves you high and dry), but the work is, indeed, interesting.  Because of my personal situation, I'm feeling a bit stuck at the moment, not sure this is what I want to do for the rest of my life, but I do, indeed, want to get beyond being a 'trainee' and into a full advisory level...

I've actually thought about working for UKBA, but didn't know if you needed to be a British citizen for that (although I'm due to register as a citizen through my British mother, fingers crossed, in just a few weeks).
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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 09:51:15 PM »
Personally, if I were to do it, I would go the lawyer way...  Becoming a solicitor, to me, would seem like the most feasible way.  There has always been something about the legal profession that has been attractive to me.

I don't know if going back to school would work for me (especially considering I never did earn a degree when I went for a semester and a half the first time), but I have definitely given it consideration at times.
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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 10:19:21 PM »
I agree with that - if I were younger and had more energy, I would definitely consider heading back to school one more time.  I started out as a legal secretary in the US and trained may way up to paralegal, and then took a break for umpteen years to raise kids...so I've sort of gotten back into some legal work, but personally, at the moment, don't have the wherewithal or motivation to think about schooling...who knows how I'll feel in six months?

Kitsonk, never say never - I never thought I'd end up at university in the UK at the age of 48.  OK, so I didn't finish!!  But, it was a worthwhile experience.
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Re: Becoming and Immigration Advisor
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 09:03:01 PM »
Hi all.

Well, firstly, thanks for all of the thoughts and input on the matter.  It has given me a few things to think about, all with regards to following the advisor route.  I fully appreciate Transpondia's thoughts (and of course bow to the weight of experience on this one) regarding it being a phasic thing.  However, for me, I don't think so and I shall tell you for why :)

Firstly, at 40 years old, I am pretty sure (fingers crossed) that I have outgrown phases.  And secondly it is of utmost importance to me that I am able to earn a living while 'putting something back' as the phrase goes.  While working for Manchester city councils education dept, basically giving money to kids from poor backgrounds to help with their continued education, I was paid pretty crap wages but the rewards were far greater than those from my payslip so that was fine.  Great wages are not my main priority.  A living wage is enough.  I have worked in sales and made good money - gift of the gab and all that.  But money alone is not enough to make me content.  I would rather a living wage that I feel good about that a shed load of cash that I dont.

Regarding going into law, I don't really see a way to study full time for quite a long time and still be in a position to support a family, so that is that out.  I shall continue to watch the board and follow up some of the thoughts already posted.  I shall let you all know what happens.  I am thinking it will be at least six months before I have the cash handy to become registered (if I am lucky ha ha) so plenty of time to investigate the pros and cons more fully.  Thanks for all the info guys.  :)


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