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What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« on: February 12, 2010, 03:00:07 AM »
I moved to England the first time nearly 8 years ago. I stayed there for 3 years, and we've now been back in the US for 5... and this upcoming move back to the UK will be permanent. Despite the fact that the paperwork logistics of this move are ugly and hairy and stressing me out to the point of psychosis, (though I'm assuming the pregnancy hormones have a lot to do with that as well), I'm really super duper chilled out about the move. It doesn't occur to me to be nervous, or to worry about my life there... and it has struck me just how DIFFERENT this immigration is than my last one. I just know a bit more about what to expect this time, and I thought I'd share a few of my thoughts about my 2nd move:

1. England is a foreign country.
This seems blindingly obvious now, but when I moved the first time I thought, naively, that since we spoke pretty much the same language it couldn't be THAT different. That the differences were mainly in terminology, architecture, that kind of thing. But going into immigration naively expecting an "older america with an accent" just set me up for more of a culture shock when I got there.

2. It will be hard.
Homesickness is fickle, unpredictable, and a total jerk. Some people don't even get it, others can't shake it, and a lot of us fall somewhere in the middle most of the time. But I know to expect bumps now, that sometimes the bumps will feel like mountains, and that for every pain of homesickness there will be the joy of something else... if I look for it.

3. Be careful with blame.
This one is a bit broader, but it stems mainly from my experience with the NHS. I had an absolutely horrendous time with it during the birth of my son. At the time, and for a long time, I blamed both the country and the medical system for what happened. I know now that my blame was placed too broadly. Every system has major faults, they just happen to be different major faults. But shitty doctors exist in both countries. So do horrible teachers, bad schools, rotten governments, bad city councils, horrible neighbors, violence... you get the picture. But the opposite is true as well. And I think an immigration experience can be made miles better if a person realizes that a lot of problems they encounter aren't due simply because they are in a foreign country... just that perhaps they feel worse than the devil you knew back home. This isn't always true, of course... but it is a lot.

4. Let go.
Part of the reason my first stay in the UK didn't last was because my mom was dying back in the US. It was impossible for me to jump into a new life in the UK fully because of that, and in the back of my heart I was always holding onto America's hand just waiting for the day to come back. In effect, I didn't give England a fair shot and never treated it like my true home. It wasn't. I don't hold any guilt for that, it is just how it was. And I wouldn't change anything either... going back in time I'd still have moved back to the US because - if nothing else - it meant I was there for her in the last year of her life. But going BACK to the UK this time, I know I have to LET GO for it to really work. If I never think of it as my true home, then it never will be. If I never dive in fully and adopt the country as my own, then I'll never get to the point where I'm truly at peace there. Not everyone can do this of course... much like I couldn't the first time. But this time is different, and I know that for it to WORK... particularly in my heart... I have to dive in, suck it up, and make it work.

5. It will be awesome.
Even people who immigrate to the UK, hate it, and move back without ever looking back...  I truly believe they are better for the experience. I believe there is always something enriching to gain even from the crappiest of times. Also that being an American with the unique privilege of living overseas is something to be relished, even if it doesn't work out in the long run. There will forever be things you love and hate about both places.... but in this next adventure I'm going to do a lot more focusing on what I like, rather than focusing on what I'm missing. Less time comparing, more time just enjoying the awesome things England has to offer me... particularly now that England has been in my life so long that I've been reassured over and over again that the awesomeness prevails. Then again, the awesomeness of the US doesn't escape me... and I prefer to live in a mental state where I love BOTH countries, just like I love both of my parents, despite how different they are. Both awesome, just in different ways... so just soak up the awesome as much as you can.
I'm done moving. Unrepatriated back to the UK, here for good!

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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 03:27:32 AM »
This is going to sound crazy, but I cried reading what you wrote because you said so many things that I have been thinking about and so many things I needed to hear. 
I, also, am making a second (and also permanent) move to the UK.
I related to so many things you said so I won't point them all out, but I also had some issues with the NHS (mostly just not understanding how the system works and being unable to get much help) and after being back in the US for a mere 7 months, I truly appreciate the NHS so much more.
The last paragraph you wrote really hit home for me.  I am happy to know that someone else shares similar experiences and thoughts.  Thank you for making me feel less crazy! ;)
Met and fell in love with a Scotsman in early 2007.  Moved to Scotland early 2009.  Had to come back to the US in June 2009 to deal with idiot government employees who screwed up my daughter's passport.  Finally back in Scotland, March 9 2010.  Yes I did fly a 16 hour flight with 3 children and 2 plane changes!


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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 03:35:40 AM »
I am happy to know that someone else shares similar experiences and thoughts.  Thank you for making me feel less crazy! ;)

Well if you are looking someone to stand beside in order to feel less crazy about yourself, I'm totally your girl. People who aren't crazy are boring. :) There are a few of us un-re-patriaters on here at the moment, so you're in good company I promise. :)
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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 03:55:04 AM »
Oh I am pretty crazy myself!   ;D  So many of my non-expat friends (and even some of my expat friends) do not understand why I am going back to the UK.  I am not even sure I understand completely, but I know I need to go.  I know things will be better this time because I see things differently this time.  My expectations are different now.
I am so happy to know there are more "un-re-patriaters" out there.  You have no idea!!!!! :)
Met and fell in love with a Scotsman in early 2007.  Moved to Scotland early 2009.  Had to come back to the US in June 2009 to deal with idiot government employees who screwed up my daughter's passport.  Finally back in Scotland, March 9 2010.  Yes I did fly a 16 hour flight with 3 children and 2 plane changes!


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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 09:10:58 AM »
Come and live near me and be my best friend. That was a great post! Thanks so much for posting that! I have no plans to move back to the states, but your POV was great and your honesty refreshing! Good luck with everything and the new baby!!!

PS just read your blog and the bit about your grief and your mother insight into motherhood, and it may be that I am sat here 38 weeks pregnant going to have this baby in 5 days...but it put me into floods of tears!!!
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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 10:32:08 AM »
Cracking post, Marlespo!  :D 8)


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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 10:39:15 AM »
Really brilliant post, Marlespo!   :)


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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 11:51:10 AM »
Thank you so much for sharing.  It came straight from your heart.  Excellent!
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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 11:58:28 AM »
Agreed great post Marlespo!!!


Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 12:28:39 PM »
Great post Marlespo - very insightful and honest!  Good luck with the upcoming move!


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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2010, 01:00:49 PM »
some great insights here.  Thanks for posting this.


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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2010, 02:07:58 PM »
Oh Marlespro
I cried. I loved it. It was amazing.... especially the part about homesickness. Thank you for sharing and good luck with your move over here!
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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2010, 02:30:33 PM »
That was very inspiring. Thanks for sharing!  :)


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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2010, 02:50:28 PM »
Marlespo, thank you.  You have been a fountain of information yet again. 
Reading it also reminds me that my DW has had the same problems here in the US.  Especially the blame and the letting go. 
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Re: What I Know Now: lessons from my 2nd move to UK
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2010, 05:36:00 PM »
Contemplating moving back as well at some point. Will bear all of this in mind. It's a weird situation so nice to know there are some other people who "know".
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