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Re: Designates identified
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2004, 11:48:53 AM »
Having trained court reporter I can attest that no one know the English lanuage better Peedal. ;D


Re: Designates identified
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2004, 11:50:29 AM »
Anyone in that situation may wish to postpone their application for naturalisation


"Anyone" is singular.  "Thier" is plural.  "Application" is singular.  

Good English?


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Re: Designates identified
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2004, 10:24:19 PM »
re: section 1 - proof of english language competancy....

It does mention A Levels and GCSES. Surely then a High School Diploma would suffice?

Also, no one commented on a question I raised about having a UK teacher cerfify English competancy. I mentioned that one of my references is a primary school teacher in the UK. He's a native Brit. What does everyone think about having him certify for me? I raised the question because I was concerned that it might be viewed as conflict of interests as he's already one of my references. But he's the only teacher who knows me here in the UK. Comments / thoughts / advice welcome.
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Re: Designates identified
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2004, 07:09:17 AM »
But he's the only teacher who knows me here in the UK. Comments / thoughts / advice welcome.

The answer is that nobody knows.  Possibly not even IND!

It's become clear that they have been making up the rules as they go along - and they are not finished yet.  At the moment, the criteria for a designate says nothing about them providing one of the references, or vice-versa. 

So under the rationale that your application was WTR when your filed it, they would be struggling to reject it without appearing to be unfair.  But that's pure conjecture.


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Re: Designates identified
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2004, 07:18:59 AM »
And from yesterday's Guardian...


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The Home Office said it would be wrong to assume applicants from English-speaking countries had workable English. "Just because someone's born in an English-speaking country doesn't mean to say they're exempt from these standards of proof," the spokesman said. ..."

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Any serious linguist would be scratching his or her head at this nonsense. Here are a couple of quotes from an article by a sociolinguist on the significance of the concept of "native speaker":

'Linguists ... have long given a special place to the native speaker as the only true and reliable source of language data' (Ferguson 1983: vii).
The native speaker is relied on to know what the score is, how things are done, because s/he carries the tradition, is the repository of 'the language'. The native speaker is also expected to exhibit normal control especially in fluent connected speech (though in writing only after long schooling.), and to have command of expected characteristic strategies of performance and of communication. A native speaker is also expected to 'know' another native speaker, in part because of an intuitive feel, like for like, but also in part because of a characteristic systematic set of indicators, linguistic, pragmatic and paralinguistic, as well as an assumption of shared cultural knowledge."

The fact that someone was born [and grew up in] in an English-speaking country, and learnt English from earliest childhood, is, ahem, the official DEFINITION of the status of "native speaker of English". There are books written on the subject, folks.

It's the Home Office being bend-over-backwards contorted-in-knots politically correct and xenophobic AT THE SAME TIME...

I suggest every applicant, when submitting such evidence as the asinine Home Office may direct, also address an official complaint against this xenophobic and insulting policy.
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Re: Designates identified
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2004, 12:58:35 AM »

So under the rationale that your application was WTR when your filed it, they would be struggling to reject it without appearing to be unfair.  But that's pure conjecture.


Sorry, its 1 am and I might be missing your drift here - WTR? What does that mean? *scratches head* Watch this be so obvious that I feel obliged to kick myself after you tell me! :)
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Re: Designates identified
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2004, 01:23:37 AM »


Sorry, its 1 am and I might be missing your drift here - WTR? What does that mean? *scratches head* Watch this be so obvious that I feel obliged to kick myself after you tell me! :)

Pretty sure it means "within the regulations".


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Re: Designates identified
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2004, 10:00:47 PM »
ahh - that would make sense :) ta!
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