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Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« on: August 12, 2010, 01:14:38 PM »
Okay, here's the set up.  I've only been in the UK for going on 3 months.  We rented a furnished flat  in an area close to family so there were not many properties available, otherwise I wouldn't be living on the second floor.  Anyway, I have a 9, 4, and 1 year old.  The door does not shut from the flat to the top of the stairs so I use a baby gate for my youngest.  We have a nice patch of land in the back with lots of trees and a huge flower bed, and it feels secluded and naturally the kids love it so do all the neighborhood kids.

Here's my rant.  My neighbors lock their 4 year old out of their house (yes LOCK OUT because she goes in and out so much and they have cats they don't want loose).  They don't let her play in her own backyard where there is a playhouse and a much bigger swingset. She can play out there sometimes but their dad doesn't mow and therefore she is only allowed to play on the sidewalk or at someone elses house.  That's only the tip of the iceberg.  Their 2 1/2 year old also goes around with her sister and since she is so young and doesn't know better, tends to take her trousers/skirt and her panties off and run around stark naked.  Well, here's the deal.  I have all BOYS.  This is very uncomfortable for them and me especially.  There are also times I have been checking on my boys and the little 2 year old is playing out in the street, usually without pants on.  Seriously this happens about once every 10 days.  The little girl is playing on the road with no supervision, sometimes unclothed for the most part.  My husband says it's none of my business but I have gotten her onto the sidewalk before just as a car was coming around the bend.  I could not handle emotionally if something happened to her and I knew it was a problem.  All the other neighbors know it is a problem and just say that it is a lack of care by the parents and they were also concerned.  I don't necessarily dislike these neighbors, but I don't want to have a bad relationship with them either because that would make things uncomfortable.   

There are many boys around here and they all convene in my backyard.  They do typical boy things like wrestle, sometimes hit each other, make things with sticks.  Sometimes hubby and I break up the odd fight but boys will be boys, so I am okay with that.  Everytime one of the girls is over, I get a play by play of everything the boys are doing.  She'll knock on the door and I start doing something and she'll knock on the door again.  One time she knocked on the door and I got to the top of the stairs and she knocked again, saying someone hit her.  I said no one could have it you just now because you haven't even left the door step.  I finally told her that's how boys play and I am watching everything they are doing so she can just go and play with them or go home. BTW, she is the worst offender for hitting them and of course if they hit back, everybody hears about how bad that boy is.  I am SICK SICK SICK of it!

The girls insist on coming into our house eventhough we have told them only one friend is allowed in the house at a time.  The other rule is that the parents must also give approval.  We also ask our children that they ask us when someone can come inside, that way it's at our discretion. They come in depsite not being invited or having asked permission.  They come up when my 4-year-old needs the bathroom and then go into his room and take his stuff.  It takes me longer to get them out of my house than it takes for my kid to go to the bathroom and wash his hands. I could stand watch at the door and keep them out but I have other things to do with my time.

It's a second story flat and I am constantly opening the door because the little girls tattle on the boys.  I just closed the baby gate when one of them knocked on the door again and said, "Someone in the garden stinks."  Okay.  That's enough!  They have left the baby gate open and one day my 1  year old managed to crawl down the stairs and was on the top of the outside stairs.  A few more minutes , had he managed to make it down, he could have been out the gate and on the street.   I was cooking dinner and hubby was in the living room, so had I not paused from cooking it could have been tragic.  One day I was doing laundry and heard noise in the boys room.  I saw my middle child outside playing, my oldest was in school, and the 1 year old was in his high chair.  Who could it be but the two little girls next door and the little one only had a top on, no pants, no panties no shoes.  I quickly helped them down the stairs and out the door and through the gate.  I told them to go home and get dressed then they can play in the backyard with the Aedan who was already outside.

Anyway, the mom is well aware of this little girl running outside naked, so why does she let it happen?  One day the older girl started to do it and it terrified my 4 year old.  He came in crying, "....won't keep her clothes on."  I don't like this at all. I am to the point I don't want them playing with my children.  It is not their fault that their parents aren't correcting behaviors that are not socially correct.  The father even laughed the other day that it was good to have a full-time, free child minder living next door.  I was like WTF? 

I have three children of my own.  I cannot be responsible for his too.  On top of that, they knock at the door every 2-5 minutes or just let themselves in, leaving the front door and baby gate open.  So it goes beyond the point that it's annoying it is also threatening the safety of my 1-year old!  GRRRRR.

I have tried locking the door while their all playing but then my children get upset.  Also, if I lock the front door and don't answer eventhough I know it's one of the girls knocking every 2-5 minutes (and I am not exaggerating, I've checked my watch), they just knock for ages. 

Given all that do I just lock the door everytime my children are outside eventhough that makes me feel like a bad mom?  Otherwise this situation is just out of control and I'm to the point I feel like I need to tell the other parents that their children can't play with mine anymore.  That makes me feel sad but it is just too stressful feeling like I am watching other people's children including my own.   

Sorry for the long rant.  This situation has just made living here unbearable.  It is so bad with these neighbors that the older woman who lives on top of them is rennovating her place to lease it out because of them. 


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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2010, 03:34:16 PM »
Personally, these children are in danger and I would report them to child protective services. 


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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2010, 03:43:32 PM »
Like bookgrl I was thinking along the same lines. A child locked out of their home at such an early age and with no clothes on or taking them off surely there is a risk there. Sorry, but with the world today and how people are well if something ever happened to them would you felt guilty for not saying anything? It's my understanding you can also report this anonymously as well, I'm sure someone else on here can give more info.  :-\\\\ 

Also I would be very firm in telling them they are not allowed in your home without your permission. You have to think about the safety of your own family first. Any chance of approaching the neighbours at all or are they like mine and not the type you want to approach? Either way you shouldn't have the worry of dealing with something like this if there was more responsible parents out there. Good luck to you.  :-*


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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2010, 04:52:36 PM »
I agree, I think you need to report this.  I also wouldn't hesitate to keep the door locked to prevent all the running in and out but you will also need to be very firm in telling them they are not allowed in without permission.  Also, with the first knock, I would make it clear that you are very busy and if they need something, they need to go speak to their own parents.  It sounds to me like the parents know you're around to check on your own kids and are taking advantage of that by expecting you to look after theirs.


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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2010, 06:09:52 PM »
You could leave the door unlocked, but buy those alarms that go off when the door is opened.  That way you know if they have come in or left the door open. 


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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2010, 06:22:23 PM »
If you're uncomfortable calling child services, you may want to contact the local police department and see if they have a community support officer (BF of one of our friends is one in London, and it sounds like something he might get called out to do). It would still be official, but if you highlight your fear of the kids being injured, they may have someone they can send out to give the parents a common sense wake up.
It sounds awful, though. Good luck.


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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2010, 08:58:21 AM »
Just having a quick read of this, I would say that I agree about contacting the local authority, as I'd be concerned about the possibility of the children's wellbeing being compromised and possibly suffering, or likely to suffer, significant harm, that social services needs to assess the situation, particularly in relation to:

My neighbors lock their 4 year old out of their house (yes LOCK OUT because she goes in and out so much and they have cats they don't want loose).  They don't let her play in her own backyard


Their 2 1/2 year old also goes around with her sister and since she is so young and doesn't know better, tends to take her trousers/skirt and her panties off and run around stark naked.

I'd contact:

http://www.westlothian.gov.uk/social_health/543/

In terms of your own family's wellbeing in the home and neighbourhood, you may wish to contact your local Safer Neighbourhood Team and Housing Office for advice:

http://www.westlothian.gov.uk/917/925/977/

Good luck.  :-\\\\


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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2010, 10:54:35 AM »
You're being taken advantage of but more importantly this is putting your children at risk.  These parents need a wake up call and possibly some sort of positive parenting classes at the very least.  I would call social services anonymously.  Also if any other neighbours are concerned see if they will phone as well.  Better to make that call than to have something awful happen to one or both of these girls because of their parents neglect.
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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2010, 03:50:47 PM »
Eeeps, what a bad situation. Those poor kids.
Without knowing the full extent of things, you sound like you're concerned enough for their safety and the safety of your own kids- that you need help above and beyond just "chatting to the parents and laying down the law."   Sometimes these things do need a social services assessment. 
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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2010, 04:29:19 PM »
I wouldn't want to chat to the parents.  It is one thing if this happened once and you had some sort of previous relationship with them.

There are only a few reasons why I can think of the people would be completely locking their children outside most days and all of them involve some sort of illegal activity. 


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Re: Neighborhood Children and Playtime- Rant
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2010, 05:08:09 PM »
There's the concern about the kids that everyone else has covered, but I'd also worry (from the father's 'free childminder' comment) that these parents seem to assume that their children are in your care.  That is not okay.  It's not okay for them to assume and it's not okay for you to have this unwanted but implied responsibility.  And it's not okay for the children who are locked out of their home and are not allowed to play in their own yard.  What a mess! 


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