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Re: underage drinking?
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2011, 04:44:12 PM »
Caffeine is a bronchodilator, so yes it does help asthma.  I would consider coffee better than soda as young as it doesn't have sugar.

Well, if they were that concerned about it, quitting smoking or at least not smoking in the house probably would have been a better solution.  I know it sounds horribly judgemental, but there were 4 adults in the house and all of them smoked.  They not only smoked, but chain smoked.  Most of the kids had asthma. 

I am not innocent.  My sister was a teen mom, and I lived with them with her first two pregnancies and when they were babies.  I smoked like a chimney in the house.  But I also got to the point where I felt guilty about it and was glad at one point when they were smoking outside when I visited.  FF a couple months after I left, and everyone was smoking back in the house again. 


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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2011, 04:48:24 PM »
Yes, well that does make a big difference.

In terms of alcoholism, France and Italy have higher rates of alcoholism related diseases than the UK.  So learning to drink safely at home seems to help with binging, but maybe not with long term good results.


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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2011, 04:58:48 PM »
Yes, well that does make a big difference.

In terms of alcoholism, France and Italy have higher rates of alcoholism related diseases than the UK.  So learning to drink safely at home seems to help with binging, but maybe not with long term good results.

Yep, but the US has higher rates than France...


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« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2011, 05:11:38 PM »
Perhaps it depends on the person's definition of alcoholism because according to WHO the US rate of consumption is much lower.

There are a lot of Americans who would consider themselves alcoholics if they drank the way people do here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption

Here are the WHO reports, not helping things that the UK results are from 97 and the US from 00.  But they are about the same on alcohol related disease deaths and vary in the alcohol related deaths.  I wonder if there is something wrong with the graphs though.  Why the sudden spike in the UK stats and do I believe that US car deaths are lower in the US?  I'm not sure, but that is what they say.

http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/en/united_states_of_america.pdf

http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/en/united_kingdom.pdf
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Re: underage drinking?
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2011, 05:31:00 PM »


There are a lot of Americans who would consider themselves alcoholics if they drank the way people do here.



I agree, I think it all depends on what you'd consider alcoholism. I will go months without a drink but then there will be one night I'll go out and get totally annihilated. I would call myself a binge drinker but not an alcoholic. Whereas a friend I know drinks around 2-3 beers a night. I would call him an alcoholic but he wouldn't. I know that if my parents knew how I drank, they'd think I was an alcoholic.
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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2011, 05:38:29 PM »
I agree, I think it all depends on what you'd consider alcoholism. I will go months without a drink but then there will be one night I'll go out and get totally annihilated. I would call myself a binge drinker but not an alcoholic. Whereas a friend I know drinks around 2-3 beers a night. I would call him an alcoholic but he wouldn't. I know that if my parents knew how I drank, they'd think I was an alcoholic.

That's true.  I think Brits think that alcoholism means drinking hard liquor basically all day every day.  A couple of my family members drink half-full bottle of wine every night, and while they know for their health it would be a good idea to cut down, they definitely don't consider themselves alcoholics.  I think they are, although it's not on the same level as an alcoholic who can't hold a job down/function in daily life.


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Re: underage drinking?
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2011, 05:39:45 PM »
Perhaps it depends on the person's definition of alcoholism because according to WHO the US rate of consumption is much lower.

There are a lot of Americans who would consider themselves alcoholics if they drank the way people do here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption
When I was studying in the US, there was an article in the university paper about how to stop the students from drinking (it was a dry campus and drinking was taken seriously). According to the article, a 'binge drinker' was classified as someone who has 5 or more drinks (males) or 4 or more drinks (females) on one occasion.

Now, I do not consider myself a binge drinker by any means (I can count on one hand how many drinks I've had in the last month... 3 glasses of wine last weekend on my brother's 21st and 1 glass of wine about 3 weeks ago), but I have been known to have 4 or 5 drinks in an evening when I've been out with friends.... and I'd say that was fairly standard for a lot of people who do not consider themselves binge drinkers.

Random story about the drinking culture in the US: when I visit my relatives there (they live in the bible belt), we always go to this really good dinner playhouse... where they serve great frozen cocktails and I always make sure to get one or two when we go. However, this year when I visited, we ended up at the afternoon matinee performance... where almost the entire audience was made up of church groups and older generation attendees and the only drinks I could see on the tables were water and (non-alcoholic) iced tea. I really wanted to order a cocktail, but I felt like I would be frowned upon for doing so; that I would be the 'boozy English girl who was drinking in the middle of the day' :P.


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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2011, 05:42:22 PM »
I don't think the results are that shocking in the WHO report.  

The US has a much higher rate of accidental poisonings, but then the UK has a much higher rate of teens who binge drink every month.  


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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2011, 06:33:42 PM »
I just had major deja vu reading this. We must have talked about this before.

Jon has a very tense relationship with his mother for various reasons but he keeps hold of this snoopy cup he's had since he was a child because the one good memory of his childhood is his mother giving him his tea in this cup.

My niece who will be 10 shortly has been making and drinking tea/coffee for years. I find it disturbing. Firstly that someone so young is allowed to handle boiling water and that she's drinking caffeine. She's 10, she doesn't need it!

I drank tea in elementary school for sure (so maybe age 8-10 or so) and made it myself. I usually had a cup with my after-school snack. I don't know when I started drinking coffee but it was definitely in early high school or in middle school. I don't think I had coffee every day until senior year, when I drove myself to school and could stop at the convenience store before class. They give kids with ADD caffeine because it often calms them down, actually.



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Re: underage drinking?
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2011, 10:03:42 PM »
I don't disagree with you, Morkai, especially if you include the massive amounts of fruit juice people give their kids since the 80s.  I don't think that tea's all that bad, but I don't know if I'd give my 5 year old (and younger) coffee.  But he's not my kid, so I really don't have a place to say anything.

Yeah, not a fan of what fruit juice has become, my kid will grow up on milk and water much like I did. I have never liked fizzy drinks thank goodness, my mum didn't either though so we never really had any at home. If the kid likes it then I can see it being one of those we are eating out special treats, but not a daily thing where it becomes their only fluid intake.  

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I don't know what age I started making my own tea, but it was definitely under 10.  I might not have it every day, but most days in the winter and any time it rained.  My grandmothers were really "nains" with one or both parents from the UK, so that's probably where they got it from.  And I got it from them watching me in the afternoons. I absolutely hated the taste of coffee.  I always loved the smell, but hated the taste until I picked up the habit.  Now I prefer it to tea.

heh, you sound like me on the coffee. When I came to work in the states the only way to make tea was boiling water in the microwave which is a faff. So I figured that with enough cream and sugar I could make the coffee they provide for free mostly drinkable. I have since gotten a taste for it and can even drink it black.

Although I dunno if it's one of those weird pregnant things but the closer I get to moving back to the UK the more tea I seem to be drinking :)

I can see me giving my kiddo tea if he likes it without any sugar. I think I'll pass on a hyped up 5 yr old on coffee, really depends on whether he is hyper to start with. Then again the little squirt is probably already getting a taste for it since I told my boss I could still work while pregnant but if he wanted a coherent IT manager he better not expect me to be decaffeinated :) He still gives me a hard time about my morning cup.

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Have they done studies regarding the alcoholism rate/problem drinking rate with people who grew up in homes with a more open attitude towards alcohol to those who were mostly or totally abstinent?  It'd be interesting to find out which turns out more responsible drinkers as adults.  I know the rationale behind serving kids alcohol is that they develop a more mature attitude towards it when they are exposed to it without their parents around, but I wonder if it's true or not.

This I am very interested in, I do feel it was exactly the case for me. My husband on the other hand says hell no and that his mother getting him drunk for the first time was what made him binge so much as a teen.

My thought on the difference there is that she did not teach him any form of moderation. My parents on the other hand gave me a very small portion that I learned to savour over dinner. I'll also happily admit that I absolutely hated it when I first had it but I sure as hell was not going to turn it down, I was being treated like a grown up and that was special. Over time I learned to appreciate wine, especially after Dad switched from french to new world reds. My husband still cannot stand the taste of most alcohols especially wine. He did have a happy night with several hand grenades when we went to Bourbon Street recently but that was the first time in 10 years I have ever seen him drink.

Hence the potential fire storm we have coming up in a few years :)

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