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*Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« on: September 10, 2012, 09:26:40 PM »
Did you guys know that taxpayers traveling to the United States with unpaid U.S. taxes can be detained at the border and questioned, and then flagged for follow-up enforcement. If a taxpayer has an unpaid tax liability and is subject to a resulting Notice of Federal Tax Lien, the IRS will submit identifying taxpayer information to what's called the the Treasury Enforcement Communications System (TECS)(sounds frightening), a database maintained by the Department of Homeland Security

This database allows the DHS to identify taxpayers with unpaid tax assessments who are traveling to the United States

U.S. or non-U.S. persons with an unpaid federal tax liability whom the IRS has been unable to contact may be unaware of the tax debt until they come through U.S. Customs and are detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). ICE agents may ask them what assets they have in the United States, the purpose and duration of their trip, where they are staying, vehicle registration information, and similar information. The agents also may inquire about a taxpayer’s employment relationships in the United States or any personal services performed in the United States, to establish wage garnishment opportunities. After that ICE agents alert an IRS coordinator and transmit this information through a referral program. Typically, an investigation request is sent to an IRS agent in the region in which the taxpayer is traveling to follow up with the taxpayer. 

To be entered into TECS, the taxpayer must live outside the United States and its commonwealths or territories (or “is about to depart to reside in a foreign country” or “travels outside the United States … on a frequent basis and [IRS agents] have not been able to contact the taxpayer”) and be subject to a filed Notice of Federal Tax Lien

The IRS may file a federal tax lien on a taxpayer’s real or personal property when the taxpayer fails to pay taxes allegedly owed after the notice-and-demand period expires. A properly filed federal tax lien publicly alerts creditors that the IRS has a priority claim against the taxpayer’s real or personal property. If the IRS files a federal tax lien in the wrong location, it will not have priority over a later purchaser, holder of a security interest, mechanic’s lien, or judgment lien creditor. 

A federal tax lien is filed in the office designated by the state where any real property owned by the taxpayer is located and is a public record. For personal property, the federal tax lien ordinarily is filed in the county in which the taxpayer resides or in any other office designated by state law. However, taxpayers who reside outside the United States are deemed to reside in Washington, D.C., for lien-filing purposes. Accordingly, the Notice of Federal Tax Lien is filed with the Recorder of Deeds for the District of Columbia 

A withdrawal or release of the lien, along with certain other prerequisites, is required for removal of the taxpayer’s information from TECS. Thus, the lengthy process may result in detention at the border for travelers to the United States for a period after the IRS has withdrawn or released a lien.

A taxpayer who resides outside the United States may not be aware of outstanding federal tax liabilities if the address on record for the taxpayer is outdated or otherwise incorrect. Consequently, tax advisers with clients who reside outside the United States should ensure that the correct address for the taxpayer is used on the client’s returns and, if the client no longer is required to file U.S. returns, that the IRS still is able to contact the taxpayer about previously filed returns. Taxpayers should be advised that a failure to keep the IRS apprised of a change in mailing address may result in an unwelcome—and potentially embarrassing—surprise when the taxpayer seeks to enter the United States.

Consider yourselves warned, and welcome to America!!!!



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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2012, 08:12:40 AM »
well....like it or not, pay your taxes, which most of us do.

My DIL (nasty piece of work) got US citizenship through her mother roughly 20 years ago. She has NEVER filed a tax return, and said to me "if they want ME to file a tax return, they can have the passport back". IMHO, she should give it back. She just renewed her passport, and as far as I know, does not have a social security number. If they do make a trip to the US, which isn't likely, she SHOULD be stopped and questioned. 

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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2012, 03:01:47 PM »
I won't pretend to fully understand everything in that post, as much seems over my head. I get the gist to pay your taxes obviously. It sounds like they are detaining USCs at the border to get their questions answered, but they can't stop us from entering the US can they?

It would be good to understand what the IRS can do if a USC owns nothing in the US, and all assets (home or bank accounts) are outside the US, and you owe them money.


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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2012, 04:47:30 PM »
Don't quote me on this one, but I do believe that they can pull your passport, effectively KEEPING you in the country, rather than NOT letting you in.  ;)
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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2012, 04:52:13 PM »
I would think that someone would need to owe quite a bit of money for them to bother with all of that, no?

Seems like it would be a bit of a numbers game, and they would go for the big fish.

I'm just guessing, or more like wondering, because I really have no clue!
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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 06:30:07 PM »
Bite me, USA and IRS.


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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2012, 06:33:30 PM »
Don't quote me on this one, but I do believe that they can pull your passport, effectively KEEPING you in the country, rather than NOT letting you in.  ;)

So in other words, don't screw with the IRS until you have citizenship in another country to fall back on.  ;D


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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2012, 08:11:16 PM »
It would be very helpful for the rest of us if UKLegal gave a source for the words typed in this post. I have a strong feeling I have read something similar but can't remember where - but don't want to react to rumour unless one knows it is based on a credible source.


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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2012, 09:32:45 PM »
Senator Harry Reid proposed an amendent to a bill earlier this year that would have authorised the withdrawal of passports from those US citizens owing substantive amounts to the IRS.

Fortunately, this was voted down by the Senate so I don't think people need worry about passports being taken quite yet.

I've never heard of any ordinary non-filers being stopped at the border. Perhaps this is possible in principle but I think the original poster is possibly scaremongering to drum up business.


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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2012, 01:13:13 AM »
The original post does have a bit of the "scaremonger" about it. But anyone who files their taxes and follows IRS regs will have nothing to worry about. There are IRS forms and requirements that we all resent and find intrusive and we should continue to lobby to make them more sensible, but until that happens we just have to comply with the law. It's easy to work within a bureaucracy if you know and follow the rules, impossible otherwise.


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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2012, 06:52:33 AM »
The source is here (the original poster ignored copyright law when cutting and pasting):

http://www.journalofaccountancy.com/Issues/2012/Aug/20125795.htm

I have had clients held at border entry for unpaid US taxes, but not for many, many years. The prudent answer is of course to remain compliant.


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Re: *Beware IRS at border when visiting US!
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2012, 04:06:57 PM »
Senator Harry Reid proposed an amendent to a bill earlier this year that would have authorised the withdrawal of passports from those US citizens owing substantive amounts to the IRS.

Fortunately, this was voted down by the Senate so I don't think people need worry about passports being taken quite yet.
Just like a bad penny, some things keep coming back.  ;D

I believe you occasionally read Isaac Brock, and this has just popped up over there.
http://isaacbrocksociety.ca/2012/09/12/shame-shame-shame-on-us-senator-bill-nelson-of-florida/
This time it's "an amendment to the “Veteran Jobs Corps Act of 2012″ from the Senate.

The actual Bill:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s3457/text
(See Section 9, towards bottom)
"any individual has a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000,"
Of course, there's a lot more to it than that, with a number of exceptions.


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