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Crappy house issues..... gr.
« on: November 05, 2012, 09:17:39 PM »
So, where to start?

In June we viewed a very neat bungalow. It was dated, and the carpet was bad, needed paint, and the yard was overgrown, but the estate agents told us that if we took it the carpet would be cleaned/or replaced, yard cleaned up and possibly paint the inside of the house.  We then agreed we would paint the house if they paid for it.

Come to move in day, we got here, and the gardeners were here cutting the grass, we then had to wait to get the keys cause the estate agents were not ready.

Finally get the keys and come back, the grass was cut, but they filled the green bin, and left all the other cuttings all over the yard, and no weeds were pulled.  Open the door and we were absolutely disgusted at what we saw.  The carpets were still dirty, and kitchen wasnt even cleaned, food in sink, crumbs on counter, newspaper on counters, glasses in cupboard, toothpaste in sink.

We went straight down to the estate agents and complained, we were told "We ran out of money from the damage deposit to clean" So we spent the entire day cleaning.

Get everything moved in the following week and get everything set up, go fire up the oil boiler and nothing, not a noise.  Call estate agents, they say "We will let your landlord know"  Nothing after a week so I call the estate agents again, and they say "Its been fixed" I complain and say it hasnt been fixed, so they finally send a guy out, and see that the oil tank is leaking, and fix it.  Fire up the boiler and nothing! Call the estate agents, nothing happens, so we go in person, and they finally get the landlord to come over and bleed the lines.  This is probably over a month.  The boiler works for 2 hours, then dies, and wont work.  Call the estate agents once a week for 2 months, and they finally send a repair guy out to fix it, 2 MONTHS after, he gets it going, and it dies hours later, over the next 2 months we call the estate agents over and over to get the guy to come back and fix it, its now fixed but only half the radiators work, its all a bit mediocre... Told the estate agents 2 weeks ago that the heat isnt perfect, and they said "We will let your landlord know" Still waiting...


As I mentioned above I agreed to paint the house... worked on it during all of the heating issues, the house has many layers of paint over paper... Start in our bedroom, and the roller pulls the paper off the wall and all I see is BLACK MOLD! I call the estate agents and they say "we will let your landlord know", waited a few days and called the landlord personally. He finally gets a guy out to look at it about a month later. It took about 3 months for him to come out and actually "fix" it.  And now the mold is back, even worse then before (oh yeah, and my wife is nearly 16 weeks pregnant!) Call the landlord personally, and the estate agents, and tell them, nothing happens. 

So we finally gave up and called the Enviromental Health last week, and they came around and said its unsafe for a healthy person to be living here, let alone a pregnant person.  Mold is in our bedroom, and another bedroom actually has water running down the wall, ceiling covered in mold, bathroom all moldy.  Told the landlord, and they sent the same guy back, and he tells me " Your landlord is cheap, and wont let me fix it properly" 

Tomorrow the Health Dept is supposed to call the estate agents and talk to them and tell them that we don't have to stay until our contract is up, and that they have to let us out now.  Also Enviromental Health said they want the house gutted and treated properly for damp and mold, they want new carpet, windows, and a new boiler/radiators before anyone else is allowed to move in.

And tomorrow the Doctor is giving my wife a letter saying he wants her out of the house immediatly, and wants us to take it to the council.

The people at work have told me since we have lived here around 5 months and the boiler has worked around 1 month of the tenancy that we should be asking for some rent money back, especially because one room is unusable... What do you guys think?

I hope this all makes sense!

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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 09:37:43 PM »
Move out.  You are clearly in the right and the estate agent/landlord is in the wrong, but you should just find a new place to live.  Nothing is worth jeopardizing your health, your wife's health and the health of your unborn child.


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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 09:44:10 PM »
I don't think that's the question. You are certainly entitled to ask for rent money back, but you may not get it. You have a pretty good case that they didn't fulfil their obligations to make the place liveable, so you're probably likely to get something if you're willing to put in the effort, but if they're such a cheap landlord that they won't make essential repairs, I don't imagine they'll part with any cash easily.
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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2012, 08:56:57 AM »
I can sympathise with you... we have a huge mould and damp problem in our flat, and we're looking to move as soon as possible.  It is a shame; the property could be so lovely but the landlord only did the most basic things to it and now, unfortunately, it's showing.

We thought we would have to stick it out for a long time as our lease is for a set amount of time, but we found one section that said we could move out with x months notice (or, conversely, the landlord could ask us to move out with x months notice).  Maybe, have another look through your whole lease and see if there's a little section buried somewhere about being able to leave early if you give the appropriate notice.

Definitely, get out.  DH and I have definitely noticed our health is not great with all the damp and mould, and even people at my work have commented that I seem to be suffering from recurring colds more than anyone else.


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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 08:59:32 PM »
Thanks for all the comments, this is becoming a major battle!!  Last night we moved the bed into the living room, from a 3 bedroom bungalow to a studio!!!

Went into the estate agents with photos, they didnt want to see them, gave them a letter from my wifes doctor stating that she was pregnant, and needed to move out. Their response was "You have a contract"

Gave up there and called the Landlord, his son came out to have a look and agreed it was quite bad.  He called his friend to come out and have a look.  His friend said the boiler was replaced in 1981, and its still the same one, and needs replacing.  He also said all the mold and damp was "only condensation"

I got a phone call from the estate agent a few hours later saying "Sorry, we are having conflicting information, you guys said you want out, but your landlord just called to say he fixed everything, and that you guys said you would stay" I went nuts and said "What?!?! He didnt do anything but say the house was crap and needed a new boiler, and said the mold was actually condensation! All he did was clean a gutter!!" her reply was "well your landlord is happy for you to leave, but you must pay rent until your contract is up"  My reply was "Why should we stay until the contract if environmental health is saying we need to move?!" All she had to say was "prove it"  We couldnt get ahold of them today, so hopefully tomorrow.  

We also asked if we could have a reduction in rent since it wasnt safe for my wife to be in any of the 3 bedrooms, they said "Your contract says £660 a month, you must pay £660 a month no matter what"

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This one is the most horrible area...




Viewing a house tomorrow, so hopefully environmental health will get us out of this hell hole!
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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2012, 09:19:01 PM »
Get to Citizens Advice IMMEDIATELY
They will help you with all legal battles with this (at the least help sort your case and what laws to quote to the estate agency)


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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 09:41:55 PM »
Get to Citizens Advice IMMEDIATELY
They will help you with all legal battles with this (at the least help sort your case and what laws to quote to the estate agency)

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Wife went there today and had a word.  They told us to go to the Council, went to the Council they said we were not priority.  CAB said the only thing we really could do was get the landlord to feel sorry for us....




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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2012, 10:34:18 PM »
Hi

Wife went there today and had a word.  They told us to go to the Council, went to the Council they said we were not priority.  CAB said the only thing we really could do was get the landlord to feel sorry for us....

Thats crap :(
Have you tried to talk to a solicitor? Most will offer a free hours worth of consultation time and just mentioning a solicitor being involved may make the landlord shake in their boots a bit. Or mention taking him to small claims court to get back rent, etc


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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2012, 10:53:35 PM »
It looks horrible. I would move out ASAP.


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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 06:11:45 PM »
So... we found a new house, cant move in for 3 weeks though.

Just got off the phone with the estate agents, and was told "The mould is your own fault, you should have the heat on 24/7."  I said what about the leaky ceiling? She said "thats only condensation" I also asked if we could have reduced rent because we are living in our living room.  Her reply was "You are living in your living room out of choice, not necessity"


They showed up to our house to see the mould and told my wife "Thats not bad, just wash it off with bleach" She then demanded some bleach and started cleaning it.  My wife said "You cant do that, I'm pregnant, cant have that in the air" The estate agent said "Oh, it will be ok, its not harmful, if you are scared make your husband do it"

I told the estate agents the landlord was a bastard, her reply was "haha I know"

This is making me CRAZY!! My father in law has now demanded me and him go down tomorrow to the estate agents office.





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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 06:55:10 PM »
You shouldn't need to have the heat on 24/7....that's ridiculous  >:( I hope you get some resolution to it soon!
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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2012, 07:58:14 AM »
the heat on 24/7? with a non-working boiler? Exactly how was that supposed to happen?

You've been there since June. OK, it was a cool summer, but this is November, and you certainly didn't need to use the heat until the odd day in October.

Re: the "prove it" comment, Environmental Health has done an assessment. End of.

Yes you have a contract, but a contract binds both parties. Neither your landlord or the estate agent have honored the contract. Also look into reporting the estate agent to Trading Standards. This certainly should fall under description of goods. They can't blame the LL for everything -  they also have a duty of care.

Get out, and get a solicitor. Unfortunately the CAB isn't really equipped to deal with this sort of thing.
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2012, 04:05:57 PM »
Sounds like a classic case for a small claims court - http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/law_e/law_legal_system_e/law_taking_legal_action_e/small_claims.htm

You have (or should have) evidence that you've attempted to solve the problem, you have the EHO and Doctor's evidence that the house is unsuitable. That's likely to be pretty much all you need, and the small claims court system is set up to be quite friendly so you shouldn't need more than a minimum of legal assistance


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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2012, 07:18:11 PM »
UPDATE....


So, the heat works, kind of.  Needs a new boiler, radiators, and pipes.

The estate agents have banned me and my wife from calling. 

Basically, they were not calling us back, I called on Tuesday and the guy was a jerk to me, so I ended the call.  I wrote a letter to the landlord asking him to please let us out of the contract, and referred to the estate agents as "useless" and said I didn't trust them... I called the estate agents today to see what was going on with the repairs and if the landlord would let us out of the contract.  I was told I would get a call back from the guy that was a jerk.  I requested to not have him call me back said "I would like to actually put a complaint in about him, he is an a-hole, seriously a pr*ck"  Come to last break and I have a message from the guy that I didn't want to talk to requesting I call him back.  I called him, and he said "You are the most un professional person I have ever delt with, how dare you say you don't trust us, call us useless, and how dare you call me what you called me" I just replied "youre horrible to me, and you made my pregnant wife cry"  He said "Don't call here anymore, if you want to talk, you can write us a letter"

But now we are moving on December 1st, and they are holding us to our contract which ends December 27th.  They are saying we are to give up the keys to this house on December 2nd, but still be responsible for the house until the 27th, including water and electric, and on top of that, they are planning to replace the boiler, carpet, paint, doing mould work... And want us to pay the utility bills.. GR..




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Re: Crappy house issues..... gr.
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2012, 07:20:14 PM »
If you are paying rent to the 27th, then hold the keys.  Why let them get a jump on the problem on your dime, if they weren't willing to work with you?


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