And now we're to blame for raising birth rates...

Personally, I'm not sure that "have more babies!" is really the solution to "there are more old people living longer than young people" - it will just be a spiralling problem unless you decide to somehow dictate how long a person can live.

I could not agree more. It just means that we have to keep overpopulating the planet to keep up with the previous generation. That way lies madness.

ZERO POPULATION GROWTH, PEOPLE!

when you read the immigrants having babies and the brake downs Americans are NOT in the graph at all

I am not arguing that it is valid or not.  I have no problem with immigrants being blamed for birth rates.  I was pointing out that people on this thread were distancing themselves for the "other" immigrants causing the "problem," when in the past this very attitude has been pointed out as offensive (and rightly so).

And I was agreeing with you - sorry, my quote of your statement was for emphasis, not counter-argument.

Right, except really a rising birth rate can be seen as a GOOD thing.  

Given the circumstances of climate change, ecological crises and finite natural resources ( ie water, food- eroding topsoil layers, overfishing, etc, in which millions of people are already starving to death and/or dying of thirst), I don't see how population growth is a good thing.

New baby boom to put 'enormous' strain on NHS

"Birth rates have been on the rise for a decade, due principally to immigration, with the number growing by about 12,000 a year."

Seriously???

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9670272/New-baby-boom-to-put-enormous-strain-on-NHS.html

My husbands (UKC) first response to this was: "This is the Telegraph saying this? I thought it'd be the Daily Mail!"

Late reply I know but I am sorry if my reply made it seem I was saying Not one of those immigrants.  I actually AM as Jean was born while I was on ILR but before I got citizenship.  Just a pet peeve of mine when the Daily Mail etc. complain about something using the term immigrants when if asked they'd probably say "oh I didn't mean YOU". Not everyone out there gets that there is a distinction between EU Migrants and Immigrants.