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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2013, 09:53:54 PM »
This is by my MP.
I doubted when he was selected to stand in the by-election, not being local, but everything he does shows how much he supports the town and it's constituents.

http://labourlist.org/2013/04/thatchers-legacy-in-the-coalfields-was-devastation-and-the-bitterness-is-still-felt-today/
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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2013, 01:57:23 AM »
I'm no fan of Margaret Thatcher, but some of the postings on here are ridiculous.

The country was a basket case in 1979 when she came into power because of the stranglehold of 4 or 5 unions with the NUM being the main culprit.
 Bodies were left unburied in Liverpool, whose council  was  even considering  taking the bodies out to sea to dispose of them. Rubbish piled high in the streets. Red Robbo the union convenor at British Leyland, practically singlehandedly destroyed the British car industry. We couldn't even sell our products to Russia because of the quality. The miners were led by Arthur Scargill who refused to ballot his members, and was not interested in concilliation, but was determined to bring the elected government down, like he had done previously, but the fact was he was so stupid that he took his men out in the middle of summer when there were mountains of coal stocks.

I find it interesting that those who experienced the miners strike on here seem to have conveniently forgotten that Labour closed twice as many mines during the Premierships of Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan, then Thatcher did, and also that Labour were in power from 1997 to 2010 and throughout their  time in office made no attempt to either reverse the closures, or expanding  the coal industryby opening  new mines. The simple fact is that nearly every mine was subsidised by our taxes, and could not complete with open cast coal from Australia.

Labour could have brought new industries to the affected areas if they really cared, in reality they did sod all for the mining and ex mining communities, and one of the last things they did in power in 2010 was to standby whilst the Steel blast furnace at Redcar closed,  for which they paid the price by losing the seat in 2010.

And where is the class warrrior Arthur Scargill today, still living in the Barnsley area and currently  taking the near bankrupt NUM to court to force them to maintain his right to grace and favour rights to an apartment they pay for,  but can't afford in London. A true comrade, champagne and all.

Thatcher did some stupid things, but she also did a lot of things that were necessary to save our country from economic meltdown, and I have no doubt you will find on Wednesday that the vast majority of the public think that, and will give her a respectful send off.

On my occasional visits here I am amazed at what appears to be a community that certainly amongst the ones who post seem to be composed exclusively of lefties, who quote the Mirror and the Gruniad as impartial sources.

What the left want whether it be complaining about the cost of the Queen Mothers funeral, or the cost of celebrating the Queens jubilee, or complaining about the cost of this funeral, is not  what the people want,  who are socially conservative, patriotic and royalist. In effect many of you are sitting on the wrong side of the fence with regard to the British public,  which begs the question what on earth are you doing here when presumably you could be much happier in a true socialist republic like North Korea.

 


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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2013, 07:24:41 AM »
some of the postings on here are ridiculous.

State your opinion if you wish, but please don't tell others their views are ridiculous.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2013, 08:07:54 AM »
"Labour closed more mines under Wilson" - those were mines which had either exhausted supply or were too difficult to get to what was there.

Talking of cheaper coal - because Eastern European coal was heavily subsidised, but British coal was higher quality. could burn at higher temps. Could even see the difference on our own coal fire at home when we had coal from our local pit versus from elsewhere.

Agreed there should have been a national ballot but there was a ballot in the Yorkshire area.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2013, 08:10:40 AM »


On my occasional visits here I am amazed at what appears to be a community that certainly amongst the ones who post seem to be composed exclusively of lefties, who quote the Mirror and the Gruniad as impartial sources.


Could you provide a link to where someone has quoted the Mirror or Guardian as an impartial source? I don't think that is the case, might have linked to an article I think is interesting or that I agree with, never claimed it to be an impartial source.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2013, 08:19:50 AM »

TykeMan, your dad sounds like he was an awesome guy. xoxoxoxox


Awww thanks! Trouble is I seem to think more like that now he's gone!
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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2013, 08:21:50 AM »
My husband and I think Thatcher was a wonderful leader.  If a person is left leaning, then they are probably not her biggest fan.  
Isn't it wonderful though that we can have differing opinions and be able to express them and still respect one another.  The alternative leads to fascism.


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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2013, 09:06:30 AM »
. . . is not  what the people want,  who are socially conservative, patriotic and royalist. In effect many of you are sitting on the wrong side of the fence with regard to the British public,  which begs the question what on earth are you doing here when presumably you could be much happier in a true socialist republic like North Korea.

You may be right about the social conservatives, but no one can speak to anyone else's love of their country.  It's not "l'Etat c'est moi" any more.  No democratically elected leader could ever "be" the country, and at any given time some people are going to be displeased with who's in charge.  That doesn't make them unpatriotic.  In fact, I'd argue that in a democracy it's less patriotic to blindly follow whomever's in power than to go along reluctantly, questioning at every step.  The people who are protesting Thatcher's funeral aren't doing it because they hate Britain, they're doing it because they hate what she did to Britain, the same as other people are celebrating her because they love what she did to it.  Neither side is more patriotic than the other, they just perceive her effect on their country differently. 

As for your remark about North Korea, please.  Let's leave the straw men at the door. 
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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2013, 09:26:29 AM »
Blind patriotism, for any country, usually signifies a serious lack of basic critical thinking skills.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2013, 09:29:51 AM »
  which begs the question what on earth are you doing here when presumably you could be much happier in a true socialist republic like North Korea.

 

I got the same types of comments levelled at me in the 80's when I moved to London for work and due to my "leftist" beliefs and the fact I was anti-Thatcher people would say "why don't you move to Russia then?". Is that the answer then if you disagree with your government, that you leave and go to a country where you support the government, or do you fight within the political process for change?
I notice you made complaints about Britain under Labour - well why didn't YOU move then?
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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2013, 09:42:31 AM »
In effect many of you are sitting on the wrong side of the fence with regard to the British public,   

I thought I was the British public.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2013, 09:44:19 AM »
In effect many of you are sitting on the wrong side of the fence with regard to the British public,  which begs the question what on earth are you doing here when presumably you could be much happier in a true socialist republic like North Korea.


Ah...'if you're not with us, you're against us, so get out.'  It really reminds me of the right-wingers at home.  ::)

If Jack Graham is feeling nostalgic, perhaps he could move to a state like Wisconsin.  The Koch Brothers-owned, ALEC-backed, union-busting, environment-killing, oversight-blocking, civil rights-trampling, austerity-loving governor might be much more to his liking.

Oh, but wait...we've already got that here just now, haven't we?  Never mind.


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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2013, 10:18:20 AM »
Ah...'if you're not with us, you're against us, so get out.'  It really reminds me of the right-wingers at home.  ::)

If Jack Graham is feeling nostalgic, perhaps he could move to a state like Wisconsin.  The Koch Brothers-owned, ALEC-backed, union-busting, environment-killing, oversight-blocking, civil rights-trampling, austerity-loving governor might be much more to his liking.

Oh, but wait...we've already got that here just now, haven't we?  Never mind.

I was thinking the same thing.


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Re: Margaret Thatcher
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2013, 10:25:32 AM »
I am the British public.

We all are.

Sometimes talking to some people about politics is not unlike trying to play competitive tennis with a two year old.

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