Margaret Thatcher

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/beware-of-the-rabid-right-not-the-loony-left-8572457.html

As for the North Korea comment... I suppose fascism is totally acceptable in the UK?

Oh man, I needed a good laugh. North Korea: 'true socialist republic'.

Also, take a wee look at the 2010 election map and see how much of Scotland is blue. One might find oneself 'on the wrong side of the fence with regard to the British public' on a few things, should he only venture north a bit.

Also, take a wee look at the 2010 election map and see how much of Scotland is blue. One might find oneself 'on the wrong side of the fence with regard to the British public' on a few things, should he only venture north a bit.

Oh, come on.  Scotland, and the Scots, don't really count as British.  Not to that lot.  They'd be out there, plastering the countryside with 'Yes' posters, if they weren't so awfully afraid of losing all that nice oil revenue.

Oh man, I needed a good laugh. North Korea: 'true socialist republic'.

Also, take a wee look at the 2010 election map and see how much of Scotland is blue. One might find oneself 'on the wrong side of the fence with regard to the British public' on a few things, should he only venture north a bit.

Yeah, like north of the Midlands, lol!  

Honestly that North Korea thing takes the prize for the most ridiculous comment on thread.  

Also, and that Mr Whippy ice cream? Worst ice cream ever!

I thought I was the British public.

 

Me too.
Or so my maroon-coloured passport says...

Or so my maroon-coloured passport says...

Maybe we naturalised citizens don't count because we're filthy immigrants?  Chary, you spent years in the US, you traitor, so your opinion obviously doesn't count either.  And TykeMan's a Northerner, so he doesn't count . . . golly, the British public just keeps getting smaller and smaller!  No wonder its opinions are so homogenous! 

 

Thank you for these links.  I enjoyed the piece by Russell Brand.  

I never paid much attention to Brand until his piece on Amy Winehouse. He's rather good.

As for Thatcher, I have no strong feelings about her other than that she almost invariably did the wrong thing. In my opinion, of course.

I love this comment by historyenne: golly, the British public just keeps getting smaller and smaller!  No wonder its opinions are so homogenous! 

Actually, I love her entire post, but THAT specific part was really good!

What the left want whether it be complaining about the cost of the Queen Mothers funeral, or the cost of celebrating the Queens jubilee, or complaining about the cost of this funeral, is not  what the people want,  who are socially conservative, patriotic and royalist. In effect many of you are sitting on the wrong side of the fence with regard to the British public,  which begs the question what on earth are you doing here when presumably you could be much happier in a true socialist republic like North Korea.

Am I missing something here? How is arguing that the Ice Queen who cut public institutions should not use public money to fund her funeral advocating socialism??? Certainly not jumping and playing the flute on her grave or being disrespectful if someone makes the argument that her funeral should be privately funded.

What are we doing here? (Me not included) But most of the people here are British citizens (and by their own determination so how is that unpatriotic and disloyal?) Last I checked that meant they had the right to vote, protest, discuss, argue, advocate for their interests as they please.

a true socialist republic like North Korea.

 

Wonder if you watched the BBC documentary about North Korea this evening where an expert on NK stated it was really a far-right Fascist organisation based in nationalism!

I think Margaret Thatcher was a great woman and did a great job of leading the nation.

( I'm running for cover )

Well, Cheers... In my world, and in my book, you need not run for cover, because I do not need anyone and everyone to agree with me about everything.

I have friends who liked her, and that is fine, and we are still very close friends.

My very good friend of 30 years voted for Bush. I did not. We both love old skool hip-hop, and classic cars. We both love cheese. We have tonnes of other things in common. We get on just fine!

See, I am noticing a Thing, or a trend, or a mindset... One that does not really exist in NYC... Maybe because we are so diverse there, and we live stuffed so closely together... We don't 'hate people' who do not agree with us. We sort of can't. No one agrees with everyone about everything in NYC. If we did that, pretty much everyone would hate everyone. So, we are used to hanging with people who think differently than we do, and it is fine. (Although there is a lot of eye rolling and laughing...But not a lot of, 'I hate you for not agreeing' ya know?!)

If I say, 'I hate Thatcher' and you say, 'I loved her' we can still get on just fine in NYC. That sort of thing happens every day in NYC.

I can still hang with someone who does not agree with me about something, or even anything.

We can disagree, but still be cool with each other.

I don't see much of that go on outside of NYC, and it is really sad.

There seems to be a Thing outside of NYC of, 'If you do not agree with me on X, Y, and Z, then we are In A Fight, and I hate you' which is very strange to me.

I've noticed it before. I noticed in a lot in Miami when I lived there. I notice it a lot here too.

I like people who like to debate. I don't even want everyone to agree all of the time.

I mean, diversity should include diversity of thoughts and opinions too, and I do like 'like minded people' but being surrounded by people who always agree with you on every topic can get quite boring, and we are assured to never encounter differing views, and perhaps learn new things, if we don't branch out from the 'I agree tree' as my friend calls it.

So, feel free to have your views! A lot of people liked her. I didn't, but that is MY view of her, and differing views, expressed respectfully, or even comically, or at least logically, are totally welcome in my world.

I think that is the biggest thing I miss about NYC, aside from my people, and the food... Being allowed to NOT agree, but still being friends with that person!

xoxoxoxoxox,
Lara And Her Lame Butt Hippy Thought Of The Day... 

Good post Lara. There is a saying here (not sure if same in the US) of "Never discuss religion and politics", because they are generally entrenched views.
When I go out with friends it's very rare we discuss politics, even though we basically share the same views, there are issues where we differ but that may be him leaning further left than me on a particular issue or vice-versa.
DW classes herself as Republican, though she didn't like Bush and wasn't keem on any of the candidates this time around. She voted for Clinton.
It's strange though because here she tends to lean toward Labour, it's very much a nature versus nuture thing I think.
Her father is a Republican, and she lived with him to look after him the last couple of years she was in the US. So her views shaped there through what he watched, here with me her views have been shaped.

I think the secret to getting on with people is to be OK with the fact that not everyone agrees with everyone all of the time, and when that happens, people should not try to convince the other person to agree with them - leave them be. Agree to disagree.
Talk about it respectfully. Use facts, and logic.
Or, just let it go, and accept that they think differently, because that is OK.

Why do people feel the need to dislike a person because they do not agree with them on a particular subject? That is totally strange to me!

It is just hard sometimes, if you are really passionate about a topic, but it is worth it, because diversity is worth it - it enriches my life. Sometimes people who do not agree with me make really good points, and I can understand their logic, and still not agree. But, I have learned something. Which is cool.

Example: I have friends who are pro-Israel, and friends who are pro-Palistine, and then there is me, the person who thinks both sides are nuts. We all hang out together, and we often tease each other, and it is OK. Whatever, we all love hummus. HA HA!

The people in New York that I know don't really feel the need to be with ONLY like minded people. I really miss that about New Yorkers!

Here, people who like different football teams... have physical brawls.

How does someone dislike someone enough to punch them because they like a different football team?

I mean, is it really that important?

Really?

Madness...

DW classes herself as Republican, though she didn't like Bush and wasn't keem on any of the candidates this time around. She voted for Clinton.
It's strange though because here she tends to lean toward Labour, it's very much a nature versus nuture thing I think.

It's funny because my husband is a Tory (I know - don't get me started), but when we discuss US politics he says he could never vote Republican, mostly because of the way religion and other personal matters are so caught up in politics in the US. Here politics are just politics.