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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2013, 12:27:59 AM »
Well, it seems to me that the "queuing system" has degenerated a lot of late in the UK.  Time was when there were very strict lines waiting for buses but now it's become a free-for-all.  Suspect your ice cream shop big-mouth was blaming the degeneration on the influx to Oxford of "foreigners".  

At least, being from Boston you won't have any trouble with "Gloucester", "Worcester" or even "Bath"  ;D

I've boldened a part of BD's post.  It seems she is wondering the same thing I did.

When I read the OP's description of the incident, the first thing I thought was......well what kind of a dig was that?  Was that directed at her in a "non immigrant" kind of way?  

I don't think the ice cream twerp was interested in pointing out how to queue.  I think he was interested in pointing out that the OP wasn't English.  And perhaps expressing his public displeasure in that fact.

I am headed to the UK in three days time.  It's going to be interesting to see just how much anti-immigrant sentiment I pick up on.  It's all you read about in the news.  The government continues to bang on about the "problem" of migration.  Between the media, the press and the politicians, it's a full-on press against anyone not born in the motherland.  Given the environment, I'm not surprised to read about ice cream guys deciding it's OK to publicly call out someone just because they sound different.  

I would have been up in the guys face.  My accent would have been burned into his memory for all time.  :p



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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2013, 02:07:04 AM »
I get that I haven't been in the UK as long as a lot of ex-pats; I arrive in Autumn of 2011.
In the midst of directing them, and literally just going, 'ok, so the list of flavours is over there...then go over to the till to order' a 40-something guy turned to me and said, 'There's a queue here. You know. The ENGLISH queue system.'

I wouldn't say that is typically so that guy was extremely rude. You should have said to him, "are you sure you're English? I thought English people were supposed to be polite." :P
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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2013, 09:34:20 AM »
I've boldened a part of BD's post.  It seems she is wondering the same thing I did.

When I read the OP's description of the incident, the first thing I thought was......well what kind of a dig was that?  Was that directed at her in a "non immigrant" kind of way?  

This is one of those things that intrigues me. Because just taken at face value you have a slightly grumpy guy voicing his concerns about convention; manners and rules are important or we slide into chaos. The development of manners and convention in GB is fascinating. It mingles class with supply and demand and economics and all kinds of things.

Manners, like accents and grammar, are a way of separating people into categories. Historically the type of hat you wore designated your class - even the angle at which you wore it. Wigs were worn, yes, as a way to combat head lice, but more so to divide, as they cost more than a worker made in a year. Dances were not held for people to "shake their groove things" but were intricate tests of training. The shape of your head apparently was (and to some still is sort of) an indicator of your nature - the long "lion-like" faces of the aristocracy v. the round "jug-eared" appearance of a Welsh miner. It is interesting, when you think that perhaps this sort of thing has been banished, to consider that weight is now becoming the same sort of wedge issue. 

Now plop an immigrant into the mix. Where do they fit in? They know you are North American or something. Why are you here? What are your intentions? Are you a dishwasher, or like Oprah are you rich enough to buy the whole shop 1000 times over? You defy easy generalisation and render useless all of those easy historical systems for separating and defining.

This, I think, is one of the strongest drivers behind anti immigrant feelings in the UK. Aside from the natural fear of the unknown, of change (risk) - immigrants defy categorisation and shake the foundations of the internal self-defining structures individuals build up to mentally secure personal status.   
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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2013, 05:02:15 PM »
Or maybe the complainer was just pissed off overall at people queue jumping. The OP just happened to get the brunt of it.
I had an incident a few months ago in a fast food place where a woman just walked straight in front of me and placed an order. I was prepared to think that she just thought I was waiting for my order but even after a polite "excuse me, I was queuing to be served" she didn't say "sorry" or even look and acknowledge I was there - that is what annoyed me more then her just jumping the queue.
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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2013, 05:38:48 PM »
Well, it seems to me that the "queuing system" has degenerated a lot of late in the UK.  Time was when there were very strict lines waiting for buses but now it's become a free-for-all. 

Oh yeah - definite free-for-all to get on buses & trains. And it's mostly natives, not foreigners. So much for the British love of queueing, eh? You know for every finger they're pointing at someone else, there are four fingers pointing back at themselves.  ;) :P ::)
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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2013, 05:44:36 PM »
Oh yeah - definite free-for-all to get on buses & trains. And it's mostly natives, not foreigners. So much for the British love of queueing, eh? You know for every finger they're pointing at someone else, there are four fingers pointing back at themselves.  ;) :P ::)

Yes!!! When I would get off the train in Bath (usually with a case to make it even worse) and people are smashing against me to get on...so much for queueing! It's easier to get on once you let everyone off!


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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2013, 05:47:45 PM »
Yes!!! When I would get off the train in Bath (usually with a case to make it even worse) and people are smashing against me to get on...so much for queueing! It's easier to get on once you let everyone off!

I used to try & be all super polite & demure (like my husband who is polite to a fault!) but that might mean you end up letting everyone else shove you aside & you don't get on - because believe you me, that's what they'll do.

Now I just handle it like a linebacker!  >:D ;D

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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2013, 06:32:30 PM »
I had an incident a few months ago in a fast food place where a woman just walked straight in front of me and placed an order.

Something like this happened to me at the chippy a while ago, but in my case when the guy went in front of me, both the people at the tills and I exchanged slightly embarrassed, slightly horrified glances, then when he left we all (including some people in the queue behind me) remarked on how rude he had been! 
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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2013, 05:33:38 PM »
I am headed to the UK in three days time.  It's going to be interesting to see just how much anti-immigrant sentiment I pick up on.  It's all you read about in the news.  The government continues to bang on about the "problem" of migration.  Between the media, the press and the politicians, it's a full-on press against anyone not born in the motherland.  Given the environment, I'm not surprised to read about ice cream guys deciding it's OK to publicly call out someone just because they sound different.

I've been living in the UK 2 months now and I can honestly say that I haven't experienced one bit of anti-American sentiment. I work daily in Lodon, where I really am just a face in the crowd. People at shops and restuarants are always nice to me - there is such a diverse population, so I don't think most people notice or care one way or another. In my town, people tend to be curious about me, but in a not rude way - just really interested in why I'm here and how could I possibly pick the UK over the US? When we've visited other parts of the country, sightseeing, etc, people have always been really friendly.

From my perspective, I don't think the OP's experience is a reflection on every day treatment of Americans in the UK. It certainly hasn't been my experience.


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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2013, 03:08:09 AM »
I'm from Boston as well! I have only ever faced one minor incident with the boyfriend of my husbands friend (who nobody likes) so far, but that was about being American not Boston specific. That is SOO unfortunate that you had to deal with that and I'm super sorry :(

I'm moving over there officially next week and I think one of my biggest fear might be being treated like some stupid American tourist... I've also felt the same that it's not as hard transitioning from Boston to the UK but haven't been to other places like you have for comparison. Although my husband has told me the same about how I talk differently, more strongly, when I'm skyping with friends/family and he thinks its hilarious  :P

Just don't let this guy make you feel like crap. He's clearly close-minded and rude and is probably just crabby and having a bad day or life or something! Just know you have people on here that you can vent to and share in your negative experiences with.   :)
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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2013, 08:54:24 AM »
I think one of my biggest fear might be being treated like some stupid American tourist

Use this like a hidden super power. You can get away with almost anything if you start out by saying, "I'm so sorry, I'm American....".

At train station window to buy ticket:  "I'm so sorry, I'm American...."

Ticket person: "No need to explain..."
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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2013, 11:42:46 AM »
Use this like a hidden super power. You can get away with almost anything if you start out by saying, "I'm so sorry, I'm American....".

At train station window to buy ticket:  "I'm so sorry, I'm American...."

Ticket person: "No need to explain..."


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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2013, 11:43:59 AM »
Use this like a hidden super power. You can get away with almost anything if you start out by saying, "I'm so sorry, I'm American....".

At train station window to buy ticket:  "I'm so sorry, I'm American...."

Ticket person: "No need to explain..."


LOL! When/If I need to, I will definitely play the 'dumb American'!


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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2013, 01:06:41 PM »
For official business, be it a bank or whatever, I keep a specific large brown envelope full of completely unrelated papers and photos...an old newspaper clipping or two and some used prescriptions.  Just at the moment I go to shake hands I release slightly my grip on the envelope sending all the stuff out the pre-sliced bottom.

Done right everything flutters and scatters under tables and chairs. With great frustration and helplessness I go, "I'm so sorry, I'm American....!"

Sometimes I will load my shirt pocket up with coins and bus passes and one of those Vick's inhaler thingies, so that when I bend over all that crap pours out as well.

Everyone seems very helpful after that.   

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Re: mocked because of accent.
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2013, 02:32:40 AM »
This reminds me of something that happened in Liverpool in June. I needed fuel for my rental and I pulled into a filling station to fill up and then I saw a problem because the filling nossle wouldn't fit. Some of you may know were I'm going....There was nowhere on this Hertz rental car saying it was a diesel and it didn't sound like a diesel but here I was getting everyone involved in trying to help me. The filling station cashier had to leave his till to come out and see what the problem was and he insisted it was diesel.
I know you can get a big bill if you put the wrong fuel in the tank so that is what I was trying to avoid. I even asked another customer who looked like an executive and had the same type of car what my problem was. So there was a big scene created by this American (me) at this very busy service station.


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