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Re: Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #90 on: October 25, 2004, 06:30:09 PM »
What a kerfuffle!! :)


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Re: Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #91 on: October 25, 2004, 06:30:42 PM »


I explained that I left the origianal title so that it could be easily found.


You seem to have missed this post of mine.



I appreciate your poit about keeping the name the same.

And no, I didn't miss that post you made.
As you know the Scots and the Welsh talk in various dialects of English. Relatively few can speak the Gaelic.

Anyway, leave out the few different dialects of the Gaelic and, from bduares post, UK still has more dialects of English.
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Re: Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #92 on: October 25, 2004, 07:59:13 PM »
Did you actually read the articles or are you just going by his presenting it as fact?  We are not talking about a few Gaelic speakers but the fact that he sited six dialects of the Welsh language and the Scots language.  And both Lola and I pointed out that 24 was only the basic dialects and did not include any subsets.  If subsets are included in the UK model, surely they should be included in the US model.  No point has been proven in my opinion.  Posting alot of links and calling it fact does not prove a point. 

And the reason that I reposted that is that you seemed to take such offence at what you thought was a mistake on my part-when I pointed out that I had made no such mistake, that I was talking about English the language and not English the Nationality, I would have thought that you'd have the good grace to admit your mistake.  Can't say I'm surprized though. 


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Re: Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #93 on: October 25, 2004, 08:17:44 PM »
Did you actually read the articles

I did.
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it is probably more correct to regard Scots as a group of dialects closely related to English
Scots speak English. If we didn't you would not be able to understand me.

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And the reason that I reposted that is that you seemed to take such offence

I took no offence. None at all. I wonder why you thought that I did  despite my smileys ?


Re: Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #94 on: October 25, 2004, 08:21:03 PM »



As you know the Scots and the Welsh talk in various dialects of English. Relatively few can speak the Gaelic.


Especially in Wales, where they speak Welsh, not Gaelic. (Aside from English, of course.)


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Re: Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #95 on: October 25, 2004, 09:30:13 PM »
Hmmm... I think the mid-atlantic accent is the most hated!  You know the one that many Americans have from living over here too long?  I have it and get the rudest comments, but I can't seem to help it!  People say I sound like I am trying too hard, when, in fact, I find it very difficult when I here to-mah-to everyday to continue saying to-may-to!!
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Re: Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #96 on: October 25, 2004, 09:46:02 PM »
Wow, I have a mid-Atlantic accent (Eastern Shore of MD) and get compliments on my accent.
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Re: Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #97 on: October 25, 2004, 10:18:14 PM »
Wow, I have a mid-Atlantic accent (Eastern Shore of MD) and get compliments on my accent.

I think she means 'mid-Atlantic' as a mix of American and British accents.  :)
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Re: Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #98 on: October 25, 2004, 11:07:44 PM »
D'oh!  Silly me.
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Re: American accent in England(Regional Dialect Debate)
« Reply #99 on: October 26, 2004, 02:37:22 AM »
Here's a nice page which has another comaprison of American and English english - the "censored page" link in the England section is the word "Cockney English" according to the author of the project. It was censored out by obscenity filters.
http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language
it seems to be copied from another page found at http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/List%20of%20dialects%20of%20the%20English%20language   but they do not go very deep into Scotland or Wales I am afraid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accents_of_English_speakers  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_English have good descriptions of each dialect of the english language worldwide and in England in particular.

While it is true that someone from the county next door to you might sound completely different to you, i.e.: Western North Carolina vs Eastern North Carolina etc, those are differences not major enough to qualify as their own dialect. When you get down to it people in one town will speak differently than people in the very next town over as is easily evidenced by the local slang each town's teenagers use. This is not a strong enough variation to make them 2 different dialects or even accents, even if they do sound astoundingly different to each other. To an outsider they are close enough to be the same and in the major areas of linguistic classification they are. While each family in each town might speak a bit differently than their neighbor, and the inhabitants of their town might speak differently than the town next to theirs, and their collective county speaks differently than the next county over, ad nauseum, the major linguistic differences which make the dialects and accents different from one another are seperated, and grouped, into dialect maps by linguists who determined each specific major dialect and their boundries - which may or may not bleed over slightly past the lines they have drawn but the majority of those dialect speakers are within the lines. If you get down to it Houston has over a dozen different types of english spoken in it alone - vietnamese, korean, japanese, mexican, guatemalan and all the rest of the central and south american immigrants, etc. London also has easily a dozen different sounding versions of english for the same reason, including those transplanted americans who after a while sound neither all the way American nor all the way English.

Yet the major dialect boundry lines remain in place and the majority of the population within them speak, as far as the linguistic rules that determine what a dialect is, the same dialect even if the accent is slightly different or the words are slightly different here and there.

The 6 regional dialects of Wales, by the way, were the english dialects. The Welsh language itself had only 2 dialects.

Now take into account that the population of the US is at over 300 million people while the population of England is 49 million, Wales is 2.9 million and the combined population of the entire UK is 58.78 million as of the 2001 census and you are comparing the differences in english as spoken by one group of people 1/5th the size of the other group. Just isn't any way to make a genuinely fair comparison of the 2. Amount of people vs amount of people and the UK wins easily. Total amount of "local" variations of the way words are spoken and the US wins easily due to it having just a huge amount more of "locals," and the localities themselves, than the UK can lay claim to.

So the only way I can see to conclude the entire debate on the language differences is to say that total amount of differences can be given to the US through sheer numbers and size while the number of variations per population could be given to the UK for high variation within smaller numbers.

You both win. Now go have a pint. Or two.
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