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Landlord deposit issue
« on: April 08, 2014, 08:40:34 PM »
Hi all, I know this isn't exactly the type of moving question for which this forum exists, but I don't know where else to ask.

We're moving out of our rented flat in accordance with our lease (6m). Our landlord never put our deposit in a deposit protection scheme despite us having asked him to do so. After four months of still no confirmation (or response!), we told the landlord that we would use the deposit money to pay for a month and a half of rent (the correct amount). Still no response. Last week, we gave our notice to move out. Now he wants to put our deposit in a scheme and us pay him backdated rent for the month and a half. I don't trust that he'll give us back our deposit in any reasonable amount of time because he's been so incredibly unresponsive about everything. I kinda feel bad for the guy, though...he apologised and he's having some sort of home issue. and of course I understand why he'd want a deposit. BUT I also kinda feel like he forfeited his right to have any say in the matter. and i've told him we're completely flexible on move-out date if he wants to be here the day we move to see how we're leaving the place (he's coming back to the UK to visit over easter holidays). Am i being unreasonable or legally wrong in not backpaying rent?
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Re: Landlord deposit issue
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2014, 09:26:06 PM »
I have no idea but I bet you can get solid advice from the Citizens Advice Bureau.  I would give them a call.


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Re: Landlord deposit issue
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2014, 08:33:34 AM »
Shelter is also extremely helpful in these situations
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Re: Landlord deposit issue
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2014, 12:28:28 PM »
Thanks!
January 2000: meet sweets
August 2000-August 2002: LDR
September 2002-August 2004: student visa in the UK
September 2004: student visa soon expiring; move to NYC
November 2004: sweets decides he can't live without me and moves to NYC
January 2005: Married!
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July 2012 (27th): biometrics taken (b/f appt)
August 2012 (3rd): send HUGE-almost-laughable-in-size visa application
August 2012 (7th): receive confirmation of visa app arrival
August 2012 (9th): visa issued!!!


Re: Landlord deposit issue
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 12:29:49 PM »
Our landlord never put our deposit in a deposit protection scheme despite us having asked him to do so. After four months of still no confirmation (or response!), we told the landlord that we would use the deposit money to pay for a month and a half of rent (the correct amount). Still no response.

If this in in England or Wales, then he had to put your deposit in a scheme and provide you with the Prescribed Information, or he will get a fine of up to 3x the deposit, which you get to keep. I suggest you use that information to keep to the arrangement you already have.

Last week, we gave our notice to move out.

If it was a 6 month fixed contract then you didn't have to give notice, but it was good of you to help him like that.


Now he wants to put our deposit in a scheme and us pay him backdated rent for the month and a half.


How do you even know that he will put your deposit in one of the deposit schemes now, as he hasn't so far? If he doesn't, then you will have to take him to court to get it back - that's why it needs to be put in one of the deposit schemes at the start of the tenancy, so the tenant has time to check they have.

I kinda feel bad for the guy, though...he apologised and he's having some sort of home issue. BUT I also kinda feel like he forfeited his right to have any say in the matter.

He is the one that chose to break the law, but it sounds more like he has financial issues.

and i've told him we're completely flexible on move-out date if he wants to be here the day we move to see how we're leaving the place

Just make sure you don't go over your 6 month contract date or you will automatically be on a periodic tenancy and owe him another months rent. Take lots of photos before you move out. Was in inventory done at the start of the tenancy and signed by both parties?


(he's coming back to the UK to visit over easter holidays). Am i being unreasonable or legally wrong in not backpaying rent?

As he is an overseas landlord, do you pay your rent to a UK letting agency? If not, you should have been deducting his tax from your rent.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/international/nr-landlords.htm#6

"The Non-resident Landlord Scheme

If you have rental property in the UK but your usual home is outside the UK, your tenants or the letting agents you use will need to operate the Non-resident Landlord (NRL) Scheme. They need to deduct basic rate tax from rental income before they pass it onto you."

"Which tenants have to operate the NRL Scheme?

Tenants of non-resident landlords have to operate the scheme if:

    the rent they pay is over £100 a week

and either:

    they pay the rent direct to a non-resident landlord
    they pay the rent to a person outside the UK
    they pay the rent to a person who is not a letting agent in the UK

HMRC may sometimes instruct tenants to operate the scheme even where the rent paid is less than £100 a week.

HMRC has produced a booklet called Non-Resident Landlords-guidance notes for letting agents and tenants that tells people what their responsibilities are under the scheme."
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Re: Landlord deposit issue
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2014, 08:06:18 PM »
WOW. thanks, SusanP for the detailed response. I had no idea of the tax deduction! and, no, there was no inventory. we held steadfast but we did agree (at the LL's pushing) to pay the remaining rent through our move out date (now - 9 May).
i'm happy to just be moving out and moving on from this experience. ...though the deduction of rent woulda been nice. :) I'm going to check out your link now.
January 2000: meet sweets
August 2000-August 2002: LDR
September 2002-August 2004: student visa in the UK
September 2004: student visa soon expiring; move to NYC
November 2004: sweets decides he can't live without me and moves to NYC
January 2005: Married!
July 2012 (6th): submit (initial) application + payment
July 2012 (27th): biometrics taken (b/f appt)
August 2012 (3rd): send HUGE-almost-laughable-in-size visa application
August 2012 (7th): receive confirmation of visa app arrival
August 2012 (9th): visa issued!!!


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Re: Landlord deposit issue
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2014, 12:03:56 AM »
beware and prepared for something dodgy to come up..... We rented a flat through an agent in London, then paid rent directly to landlord.  When it came time to leave the country, she came down and 'checked us out" but didn't do paperwork, and we trusted her.  We flew to US, and she then came up with a long list of stuff to deduct from deposit.  Then she 'found out' that the agent had never put the deposit in the scheme, and tried to say we had to go after him.... It was 6000 sterling and she just played dumb.... Then we got a lawyer, and she claimed to get a detective agency after the agent..... Under legal pressure, she gave us the deposit, but kept 700 pounds for made up expenses, but knew that we wouldn't fly back over to sort it out so we let it go... Lawyer said that ANY landlord now knows the law, so anyone who doesn't follow the scheme is likely trying to cheat tenant...


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