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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2014, 06:14:19 PM »
Its more expensive in the UK for some things as you have just found out. If you holiday in the USA like a lot of us, take advantage of being there to stock up on those things you can't get in the UK at a price you want to pay.

You have been living in the UK for quite a while but seem to be trying to apply US standards to your wants. Formal wear is not as popular in the US, the cost of living is higher here which probably accounts for men being happy with less expensive suits. If you're happy to pay £400-£800 for a suit you should be able to get something made to measure. Asking at menswear hire shops might be an idea, they cater for all sizes and you might be able to get one made by their supplier.

Although your post came over as hostile I've tried to help you, perhaps your style of writing is just brusque!
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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2014, 09:54:37 PM »
Its more expensive in the UK for some things as you have just found out. If you holiday in the UK like a lot of us, take advantage of being there to stock up on those things you can't get in the UK at a price you want to pay.

You have been living in the UK for quite a while but seem to be trying to apply US standards to your wants. Formal wear is not as popular in the UK, the cost of living is higher here which probably accounts for men being happy with less expensive suits. If you're happy to pay £400-£800 for a suit you should be able to get something made to measure. Asking at menswear hire shops might be an idea, they cater for all sizes and you might be able to get one made by their supplier.

Although your post came over as hostile I've tried to help you, perhaps your style of writing is just brusque!

Sounds like you offend easy, so I promise to be gentle.

From the top, let's begin.  Yes, I have been living in the UK for quite some time, so paying exorbitant prices for abysmal quality and poor service is nothing new to me, but it doesn't mean I'll ever be comfortable with getting ripped-off on a daily basis.  Then again, as the locals like to say, welcome to rip-off Britain.

I don't have any plans to holiday in the USA in the near future, so that option is closed to me.

You say formal wear is not as popular in the UK, and this confuses me.  By the term 'formal wear' if you mean tuxedo or what they call evening dress on this side of the pond, then you may be right and you may be wrong.  Nevertheless, 'formal wear' is not what I am looking to purchase.  If by that term you mean just a regular men's suit then I disagree with your original premise.  On the contrary, men wear suits far more often here than we do in the USA.  Consequently, you would think that quality of the product would not be so unequal in what is available to consumers.  Especially when you also consider that Britain is one of the largest wool producing nations on earth.  That would make me think 100% wool suits would be everywhere and not so rare in the mid-price category, which in itself is almost non-existent.  As my original piece said, the options for men's clothing in this country seem far more polarised to me, with few options in the middle.  The only products available seem to be either very expensive, top-of-the-line luxury brands on one end of the spectrum, and cheap, mass-produced, ill-fitting, polyester rubbish on the other end.  Finding middle-of-the-road priced, solidly constructed clothing made from 100% natural fabrics in Britain is next to impossible.  And the few options available get even sparser the larger the size gets over 42, which in American parlance is only a medium.

You also infer that I can find a tailor to custom make me a suit for the same amount of money I am willing to pay (£400-£800) for an off-the-rack suit.  If such a tailor exists in this country, I haven't found him.  Bespoke suits start in the £1200 range, and £2000 is more representative of an average price (and they're even higher priced in London).

You also offer the idea of approaching a mens clothing for hire dealer.  The only mens clothing for hire firms I'm familiar with are the ones who specialise in formal wear, eg. tuxedos, morning suits, evening dress, wedding attire, etc.  I've never heard of any such firms who hire out regular everyday men's suits.

Now, as for your last comment, perhaps I did come off to you as being a bit brusque.  I thought I was just being humourous in light of the amount of needless frustration I've been experiencing in trying to something as simple as just buying a suit.  Then again, I know from personal experience that Americans often feel irritated whenever they have to purchase goods or services in this country, as the quality is often disappointing, and the service, while always polite, is usually lacking.  Nevertheless, I am always mindful that the British (The English especially) are a proud people, who do not wish to be reminded they are no longer giants on the world's stage, and that their products are usually of a low quality - and certainly not worth the prices often charged.  Consequently, Americans such as myself, who have lived here a long time come to learn to walk softly and reach for as much diplomacy as possible when forced to make large purchases.  There's a certain default mode the Brits universally adopt in order to maintain their pride whenever they engage with Americans.  It's the standard: 'Americans have no taste'....'Americans are all fat, stupid, loud and unsophisticated unlike us Brits'......'Americans don't understand quality or have any sense of understated elegance'....Blah, blah, blah.  It gets pretty damn rich after awhile.  The shame is many Yanks actually buy into those idiotic negative representations of themselves in their first few years living here.  That is, until all the bad food, miserly economic practices, abysmal product quality, exploitative prices and lousy weather starts getting old.

You then come to realise its all a phony version of reality used by the British in order to keep up appearances.  Ultimately, it really is just another game of rip-off Britain.


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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2014, 10:16:04 PM »
I don't agree that formal wear is not as popular in the UK, be it the traditional DJ or a dress suit. Men wear suits much more in the UK than they do in the US. There are a lot more suit stores and stores that sell suits in the UK.


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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2014, 10:22:33 PM »
I don't agree that formal wear is not as popular in the UK, be it the traditional DJ or a dress suit. Men wear suits much more in the UK than they do in the US. There are a lot more suit stores and stores that sell suits in the UK.

I agree that men wear suits more often in Britain than America.  However, I disagree about the number of men's haberdashers.  Most suits in this country, I'd bet, are sold out of department stores.


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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2014, 12:09:05 AM »
We'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't doubt that most men wear suits from department stores, but I think the bespoke suit is more prevalent in the UK. Most men I know in the US have never had a custom suit made to measure. I don't think that is the same in the UK.


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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2014, 12:49:08 AM »
We'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't doubt that most men wear suits from department stores, but I think the bespoke suit is more prevalent in the UK. Most men I know in the US have never had a custom suit made to measure. I don't think that is the same in the UK.

I'd agree with that 100%......A bespoke suit in North America is rare.


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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2014, 08:40:59 AM »
How about Slaters?

My other half doesn't have a big chest, but he does have very very very long legs compared to his waist and therefore, has an extremely difficult time finding trousers. But he he has very good luck there.

They have a big and broad section.  I have no idea what sizes they go to though and if it works for you or if it's of the right quality for you or not.   
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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2014, 08:58:49 AM »
How about Slaters?

My other half doesn't have a big chest, but he does have very very very long legs compared to his waist and therefore, has an extremely difficult time finding trousers. But he he has very good luck there.

They have a big and broad section.  I have no idea what sizes they go to though and if it works for you or if it's of the right quality for you or not.   

Thank-you for the kind reply, but I checked their online page and it was more of the same.  I plan on visiting my local store in person to see if they have better quality on the racks than they advertise online, but I have my doubts.  Thanks again.


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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2014, 09:10:11 AM »
Once again, I am reminded that buying clothing should not have to be such an ordeal.  And once again, I can't help but fault British retailers for offering their customers such little choice. 

Start selling better quality clothing at a far more reasonable price, and quit the charade of trying to pan off what are essentially mid-quality goods as luxury items.  It's the oldest Euro-Trash scam in the book. Trying to live off of a name alone will only get you so far before the consumer starts raising doubts.

And just as importantly, my advice to British retailers is to quit being cheap by only offering products that serve the needs of your largest demographic.  You need to broaden your range to the wider society at large.  Not every man looking for good quality clothing is a fine-boned, slenderly built, upper-middle-class W.A.S.P.'s with narrow shoulders and puny chests.  Some of your customers will be muscular, some will be fat, and some will be tall.  But retailers, mindful of the limited space most have available, I suppose, try saving money by selling only clothing that will fit 50-65% of their typical customer base.



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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2014, 09:41:33 AM »
Thank-you for the kind reply, but I checked their online page and it was more of the same.  I plan on visiting my local store in person to see if they have better quality on the racks than they advertise online, but I have my doubts.  Thanks again.
You know, it sounds like you've already decided that you're not going to be able to find what you want, as you seem determined to shut down any suggestion that anyone has for you.

People have recommend stores where you can get 100% wool suits for a decent price (here's one I've found, made-to-measure, which starts at £595 and goes up to £3,500: http://www.mastertailoruk.com/suit-prices.htm, and I've seen other online stores with 100% wool suits for only about £200), but they are rejected because they don't have your size (or still aren't good enough quality). Then when someone suggests a store that does have your size, you reject it immediately because the quality isn't good enough. You said your budget is £400-800, which is a hell of a lot of money and should be more than enough to get a decent suit with.

But maybe, in order to get a suit in your size, you're going to have to compromise on the quality. Perhaps it shouldn't be that way, but to be honest, I'm not sure that the British public care all that much. The UK is expensive in general, and our salaries are relatively low, so most of us don't have much disposable income and can't afford expensive suits or regular dry cleaning bills - most of the time, we just need something cheap that looks good, regardless of the quality... so all those 'department store' suits are perfect for us.

I'm female and wear suits to work and I would never pay more than £100, maybe £150, for a suit (I think my last one was about £75 from M&S). I have to buy suits that don't require dry cleaning, as I don't have time and can't afford to dry clean, so I need something cheap that looks okay, but that I can stick in the washing machine once a week in between my shifts. And I'd guess the same is true for a lot of other Brits out there too.


Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2014, 12:50:10 PM »
No, I am not easily offended but to be so confrontational when asking for help came across as rude.


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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2014, 02:18:09 PM »
Once again, I am reminded that buying clothing should not have to be such an ordeal. 

Yes.

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Re: Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2014, 03:15:25 PM »
I have the opposite problem. I'm only 5'3" and finding a suit to fit is always a nightmare.
Do you have a outlet shopping centre near to you? This where i always go as it is the largest and smallest sizes with the heaviest discount.
i have alway bought an oversized suit at a discounted price then paid a local tailor to tailor it to  fit.
I got two 100% wool designer suits (one i know was jeff banks)  for about £320
Then it was only about another £30 to get it tailored independantly.
 Plus they left in some extra fabric at the seams for my inevitable middle age spread.
I'll look up the store when i get home.
As for the cost, don't forget you are paying 20% sales tax on these as opposed to 7-12% in the us. Also the uk doesn't produce its own cotton so again it needs be imported.
it just a fact of life that clothes in the uk are more expensive.
Hope this helps.

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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2014, 07:37:07 PM »

Try these online guys (there are a few of them)...I hear good things about them.

http://www.asuitthatfits.com/shop/index.php


My ex husband had loads of suits made from this place over the years.  Good quality, made to measure, good price - obviously dependent on the quality of fabric and lining that you choose, but we never paid more than £1000 for a three piece suit for him.  Once they have your measurements and tailor the first suit to fit you, you can order online or by phone and they'll ship directly to you.
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Re: Buying a Man's Suit in Britain - Help!
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2014, 02:28:02 AM »
Jos. A. Banks?  Is that suppose to be high quality or something?



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