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US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« on: November 20, 2014, 02:59:54 PM »
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/20/boris-johnson-us-tax-bill

Don't think this quite puts him in the same league as Thoreau, but it will be interesting to see what happens.  Sounds like he is reluctant to give up US citizenship.
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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2014, 03:36:16 PM »
Ha....I just read this. Boris won't be able to give up his citizenship until he is compliant with his taxes. So he has three options, pay the tax and give up US citizenship; pay the tax and keep US citizenship but file every year; and finally just refuse to pay his taxes. I wonder how the IRS/US will deal with that if Boris gets back into Parliament or tries to enter the US again.

Also what are the rules for US citizens working for foreign governments and swearing allegiance to foreign heads of state?


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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2014, 07:05:38 PM »
I thought he renounced years ago....poor Boris...... (tongue firmly in cheek)
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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2014, 11:11:37 PM »
Good for Boris!


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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2014, 11:42:07 PM »
I could have sworn he renounced his US citizenship a while ago, when they kicked up a fuss about him trying to the enter the US without a US passport.


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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2014, 08:14:30 AM »
Hmmmm, according to a BBC Profile of Boris he "held US citizenship until 2006".  What that exactly means I don't know.  Maybe that was the dust-up about him not having a US passport?
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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2014, 11:17:36 AM »
Hmmmm, according to a BBC Profile of Boris he "held US citizenship until 2006".  What that exactly means I don't know.  Maybe that was the dust-up about him not having a US passport?
He kept his US citizenship, and now has a US Passport. There's a thread on the BritishExpats site with a lot of discussion:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/usa-57/boris-trouble-847465/





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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2014, 04:57:00 PM »
The US will not want to have a public debate about its iniquitous extraction of tax revenue from the UK economy. I expect they will look for a way to sweep this under the rug. Look for them to issue a retrospective relinquishment of US citizenship based on Boris being elected as an MP in 1997. Tax problem solved!


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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2014, 07:38:16 AM »
hmmmm ... so if I get myself elected as an MP ....??  Actually, I always wondered what the situation was in Nancy Astor's day.  Did she get her citizenship removed as soon as she married Waldorf -- or when she ran for Parliament -- or ever?  Did the US tax them?
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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2014, 04:27:36 PM »
Actually, I always wondered what the situation was in Nancy Astor's day.  Did she get her citizenship removed as soon as she married Waldorf
Probably, yes. They married in 1906. Waldorf Astor was also born in the US, but is reported to have become a naturalised British citizen. Dual nationality was not allowed at the time.

The 1907 Expatriation Act stated that any American woman who married a foreign man lost her US citizenship. The same did NOT apply to American men who married foreign women.

The Cable Act of 1922 altered that slightly. An American woman was allowed to marry a foreign man and not lose her US citizenship, provided she remained in the US. If she lived outside the US for 2 years, then she lost US citizenship.


"Did the US tax them?"

Taxation of foreign income of US citizens who were non-resident began in 1864; was repealed in 1872; made law again in 1894; declared unconstitutional in 1895 by the Supreme Court; and made law again in the 1913 to 1916 income tax reform. It has only been challenged once since, in 1924 when the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional.

All this is from the interwebby, so accuracy is not guaranteed!
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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2014, 05:59:37 PM »
Very interesting, OAP.  I didn't think the taxation of foreign residents went back that far.
When I married (40 years ago) there was certainly the general understanding that dual nationality was not allowed.  But I honestly don't remember ever seeing or hearing anything about taxation of US citizens abroad back then.  And I suppose one assumed that there wouldn't be interest in the piddly earnings of the average expat. 
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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2014, 08:41:22 AM »
Thanks OAP. I have always wondered about Lady Randolph Churchill.
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Re: US citizen refuses to pay US capital gains tax
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2014, 08:44:02 AM »
Thanks OAP. I have always wondered about Lady Randolph Churchill.

Not to mention Lady Grantham  ;D
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