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In a recent thread, a comment was made by RW concerning a survey now available. It's title is "The United States and You – A Survey for US Citizens and Former US Citizens".

It deals with the issue of US expats (and accidental Americans) feeling forced to give up their US passport due to the pressures of US tax and information reporting, as well as difficulties regarding the availability of financial accounts due to the FIs concerns with reporting customers who are US Persons.

The survey has been designed by Dr. Amanda Klekowski von Koppenfels. To quote RW, "Dr. von Koppenfels is at the University of Kent Brussels School in International Studies and is the author of academic research about Americans abroad (American immigrants to other countries). She has written a book: Migrants or Expatriates? Americans in Europe. She is now doing research for a new book and is asking for people to participate." I've done a bit of research on Amanda, and she is indeed highly regarded and has the qualifications as described above. The reason for my research is that I did take the survey, and was contacted about possibly expanding on my comments at a later date.

Whether you feel US tax reporting is not an issue, and those that talk about difficulties leading to giving a passport back are spouting pure hyperbole and over-reaction; or if you feel there is a problem leading to personal difficulties, this is your chance to express fully your opinions. There are basic questions, but there is also ample opportunities, via special boxes, to define, elaborate, and expand your reactions and opinions to most of the questions. It's a damned good survey.

At this time, there are discussions beginning to arise in Congress concerning the taxation of US citizens abroad. There are recent officially presented comments from the Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee which states "“The United States needs to rethink its taxing rules for nonresident U.S. citizens. If a U.S. citizen is living and working abroad with some permanence, and the primary nexus the individual has to the United States is citizenship, we think it makes sense to tax the individual, as a general rule, only on income from U.S. sources."

Dr von Koppenfels was instrumental in designing a recent survey for the Democrats Abroad. The results from that survey has instigated a proposal from DA for Congress to re-evaluate FATCA, including a "same country exclusion" which would mean neither a US citizen living in the UK (for example) with a UK bank account, nor the FI itself, would be required to declare the account as regards FATCA reporting.

WARNING: the survey is available for only a limited time. I believe it will no longer be available by 14 January. If you wish to contribute, you need to act quickly.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/the_US_and_you

EDIT to add: I volunteered to be contacted. You do not have to. Amada takes anonymity very seriously. Your will not be contacted if you wish to remain anonymous, and all details, if any, are kept separately from responses. IP addresses are not being collected.
  




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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2015, 12:52:31 AM »
Thank you for that, I have taken the survey.


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Did I miss something? All it asks is if I am American and where I live. 2 questions.
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Did I miss something? All it asks is if I am American and where I live. 2 questions.

The survey is only interested in USC's living in foreign countries, and you are still living in the USA - right?
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Yep. Or should I fill it out as if I lived in the UK in a few more months?
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Yep. Or should I fill it out as if I lived in the UK in a few more months?


If I were you I would probably do that as you have only recently come back to the USA after a number of years living in the UK so could answer the survey with some relevant experience .
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You could reply as durhamlad suggests, but on the last page of the survey, and last question (box) is an opportunity to make any additional comments. You might take that opportunity to explain your current situation, and any thoughts about what you've encountered in planning to return to the UK. There seems to be particular interest in 'out of the ordinary' situations.


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Thanks for posting, I've just completed it.


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Thanks for the link - survey completed!
Married December 1992 (my 'old flame' whom I first met in the mid-70s)
1st move to UK - 1993 (Letter of Consent granted at British Embassy in Washington DC)
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Back to US in 2000
Returned to UK July 2011 (Spousal Visa/KOL endorsement)
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Thanks, that was interesting
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I have received the following Email from Amanda.

Dear all,

Once again, thank you so much for participating in this research. It's the first of its kind, and I hope it will contribute to both the academic and policy discussion on the topics of integration and citizenship.

You may have seen a mention of the research in the Wall Street Journal today - I prepared a press release which was embargoed until the release of the Treasury Department's renunciation figures - 3, 514 for 2014.

Attached are two documents - a brief one, and a lengthier one. These are, however, both only initial results, focusing on the question of citizenship renunciation -- there is much more to come, on a wide range of topics. Do please feel free to share them.

I thank you for your extensive comments in the open-ended sections of the survey - those total over 400 pages of text, and I am working my way through those as well as through interviews. I'll be working through that data over the next months.

As always, if you have any questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thank you again,

Best regards,
Amanda

Amanda Klekowski von Koppenfels, Ph.D.


Following is the more extensive initial results.

The US State Department estimates that 6.8 million Americans live outside of the US. The Treasury Department recently released its official numbers on 2014 fourth quarter US citizenship renunciations. In 2013, annual renunciations rose to their highest level ever, at 2,999, and in 2014 rose still higher, to 3,514.
 
A new research survey of 1546 US citizens and former citizens living outside of the United States shows that 31% of the US citizens are seriously thinking about renouncing their US citizenship, and that 3% are currently in the process of doing so.
 
The survey ran from 5 December 2014 to 20 January 2015, surveying 1404 US citizens and 142 former citizens, living in 69 countries. The survey was an opt-in snowball survey, distributed initially via overseas American organizations. The survey included closed-ended and open-ended questions, allowing for both quantitative and qualitative analysis.

Initial key findings of the study are:

Quantitative Analysis:

1)   31% have actively thought about renouncing US citizenship and 3% are in the process of doing so; 32% have never thought about renouncing US citizenship. Another 33% have given only a passing thought to the idea, however, they have no immediate or even long-term plans to do so. Many hold strong feelings of American identity and express pride in being US citizens.
 
2)   More than one-third (39%) of all respondents had lived in their current country of residence for 20 years or more. The primary reason (33%) for moving to that country was to be with a spouse or partner, followed by employment (26%).  21% left the US as children. Over half (54%) are aged 50 or older, and 58% are female. 88% have at least a four-year college education. 45% have annual pre-tax household incomes of under $100,000 (USD) and an additional 18% between $100,000 and under $150,000.

3)   Of those who have renounced or relinquished US citizenship, nearly half (43%) have annual pre-tax household incomes of under $100,000 (USD). Of those who have renounced or relinquished, more than half (56%) have lived at least 20 years in the United States, and three-quarters (75%) more than 20 years in their current country of residence.

4)   Renunciation intentions are not linked to income: 43% of former citizens have annual household incomes under $100,000 (USD). Of US citizens with annual household incomes of more than $250,000, 33% have actively thought of renouncing and 4% are in the process of doing so. This compares to 28% of those US citizens with incomes under $100,000 (USD) having actively thought of doing so, and 3% currently in the process, and to 31% of all US citizen respondents who have actively thought of doing so and 3% who are in the process.

5)   US citizens who have renounced or relinquished their citizenship, or are thinking about doing so, mention several key factors. They note that financial reporting requirements are increasingly onerous and intrusive, and, second, that they are likely to remain overseas.
 
6)   US citizens living overseas are affected by three sets of financial reporting requirements: first, they must file tax returns on global income – unlike nationals of any other OECD country living abroad; second, they must report all bank accounts with a combined total of $10,000 (USD) or more, or the so-called FBAR (Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts) and, third, they are affected by FATCA (Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act) requirements, a law which came into force 1 July 2014. All three factors play a role in individuals’ thoughts on renunciation:
 
     a.   In open-ended responses, analysis shows that it is not payment of taxes which prompts renunciation, but rather primarily costs associated with complying with US filing requirements – particularly FBAR, which many respondents only learned about recently,  and the recent FATCA law. These can be as much as $1000 to $5000 per year – as one respondent, with a household income of between $50,000 and under $100,000, put it, “I can't pay an accountant 2000€ in order to pay the USA $0.00 in the end.”  This person, who renounced citizenship, would have had to pay nearly 10% of annual income in such costs: “To maintain tax compliancy with my pension account I was going to have to pay my accountant at least £1500 per year and I only earn £18 to £20,000 per year.” Maintaining US citizenship is costly – in terms of accountants’ fees. There are, moreover, no pre-tax retirement savings options for overseas Americans – unlike their US-based counterparts.

     b.   FBARs are now e-filed via the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, a phrase which riles many. The primary concern, however, over FBAR filing is that of many non-working spouses, as expressed by this woman, who has renounced her US citizenship: “Hated being treated like a criminal and filing FBARs on money earned solely by my UK only husband.” Others speak of stress created in their mixed-nationality marriages, especially those who are home-makers with income-earning non-US spouses, because of US filing requirements.

     c.   FATCA reporting requirements, also requiring reporting on joint accounts with non-US spouses, have further ramifications: numerous respondents also noted severe difficulties in retaining – or opening – investment accounts, bank accounts and, in some cases, securing mortgages, as banks increasingly refuse US customers. Numerous respondents reported great difficulties and stress in planning for retirement – with investment accounts increasingly closed to them in the countries they live in, as well as in the US (where many investment funds now require a US address).

7)   Many respondents offered a “wait and see” response, noting that that if FATCA, in particular, is not changed, they feel that they will be “forced” to renounce US citizenship.

8   Two groups of US citizens and former US citizens feel particularly targeted by US financial reporting requirements, as well as by US citizenship policy, as explained well by this respondent in Canada: “Canada is home to many border babies, born in the US because that was the location of the closest hospital, and ‘Accidentals’ like myself  that left the US as young children with no say in where they were born.”

These individuals – or their parents – believed that they no longer held US citizenship, having naturalized or held Canadian citizenship or not been aware of legal changes in US nationality law.

Many realized only recently that the US Government still considers them US citizens, often after having been assured by US officials that they were not citizens, as this respondent said: “I was horrified to find out this year that the US is still claiming me as a citizen” – having relinquished US citizenship at the time of naturalizing as a Canadian. This person is not alone. Either not having been aware they were US citizens, or having been assured, many years ago, by Consulate officials that they were not, such individuals now face the cost of filing five years’ tax returns – even if no tax is owed – and potentially a $2350 renunciation fee, which for many is “prohibitively expensive”.  They feel caught and targeted by US policy.

9)   For many other respondents, a strong sense of anger and feeling of “being targeted” also emerged: “It is not a crime to live abroad and the US should not treat its expat citizens like criminals. I would never consider renouncing my US citizenship if the US treated me respectfully. As it is, I may end up renouncing, and that is a sad situation.” One person who renounced noted “What upsets me the most is the attitude by most US people that everyone outside the US is a tax cheat” and another noted “FATCA treats families like mine as suspected criminals until proven otherwise all because one family member is American who dared to marry abroad.”
 
10)   Many expressed strong pride in being American, noting they would never renounce citizenship. Nonetheless, even some of those who have given no thought to renunciation still note, as this person did, “Folks upset about taxation without representation is what created the US.” A respondent with no intention of renouncing notes that “1. I'm an American.  2. I deeply resent being treated like a tax fraud or a drug lord.” This respondent, also with no intention of renouncing, said: “I find it tragic that many Americans living abroad are finding it necessary to give up their US citizenship based upon primarily taxation and banking problems. I think the IRS has to revise the code.”

11)   Another person who has actively thought of renouncing, although does not intend to go through with it, said:  “I do think that the mass media representation of this issue neglects to capture how difficult this decision is and how heartbreaking and frustrating it is. It's like being in a cage.“
 
12)   Many of those who did renounce or relinquish their citizenship expressed the pain of doing so, as this woman did: “It’s a bit like having a mastectomy because giving up my passport was traumatic for me.”

13)   A very high degree of stress and even fear was expressed by a number of respondents, as expressed by this person “When I found about FBARs and the penalties involved I was unable to eat and sleep properly for weeks”. Many fear that inadvertent filing errors will wipe out retirement savings.
 
14)   Numerous respondents mentioned their frustration with a lack of political representation of overseas Americans. They noted that they do vote in US federal elections, but also noted a lack of response concerning their concerns. Above all, respondents strongly felt the lack of representation of overseas Americans per se, as these two people did: “Double taxation without representation, without services, but with onerous ‘Orwellian’ compliance” or “I don't feel that I have any representation within the US, so I might as well start forging links elsewhere.”

15)   For many, American pride remains strong and a key factor in not renouncing, despite costs associated with remaining a US citizen (accountants’ fees, no pre-tax retirement savings options). On the other hand, frustration and resentment over US government financial reporting policies emerge strongly as well, even among those who feel they may return to the US at some point in the future.



Dr. Amanda Klekowski von Koppenfels is the Director of the MA in International Migration at the University of Kent in Brussels. She is the author of Migrants or Expatriates? Americans in Europe (2014; Palgrave-Macmillan).
  
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Thanks for the update. Between a rock and a hard place......with no escape without losing a limb.
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And just looking up some things on giving up USC....as long as I keep my SS and pension (yep.....at least so far) and evidently don't have to pay an exit tax ($600K+ of capital gains??)....if I have that right (always iffy on my being right), there doesn't seem to be any penalty for me to give up citizenship.

And......I need to look into it.....and I am sure it can't be that simple/easy....if I gave up citizenship in 5+ years would that get me out of paying tax on my TSP since I don't have the limit of big gains? Hmmmmm......

Damn.....just thought that through a little further......even if I could get out of paying US taxes of 15%.....UK would be at least 20%.....poop.
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I did the survey and the follow-up telephone interview as well, and found the summary info quite interesting.

Married December 1992 (my 'old flame' whom I first met in the mid-70s)
1st move to UK - 1993 (Letter of Consent granted at British Embassy in Washington DC)
ILR - 1994 (1 year later - no fee way back then!)
Back to US in 2000
Returned to UK July 2011 (Spousal Visa/KOL endorsement)
ILR - September 2011
Application for naturalization submitted July 2014
Approval received 15-10-14; ceremony scheduled for 10 November!
Passport arrived 25 November 2014. Finally done!


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I did the survey. Thanks for posting the follow up!!
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