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Lack of houses on the market
« on: April 30, 2015, 03:15:53 PM »
Is it just up here in the North.....or is there very little choice out there for houses? We are in Harrogate now, but had planned on moving just south of Huddersfield (Meltham, Slaithwaite) because it was cheaper. Just not much to choose from in our budget (£230K) either there or here in Harrogate. Now we are thinking about just going over budget a bit and staying here in Harrogate. Bit of a blow to the budget......but I have to keep reminding myself that the money you put into the house isn't gone.....you can get it back later when we are old and falling apart. Heck, even Scarborough might be back on the possibility choice again.

Somebody I used to work with said she thought after the election things might get going again.
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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2015, 03:24:15 PM »
I'm in the South East and it is HOT down here.  Awful houses that are in need of modernization that are over priced are selling fast!  We are hoping to move in 2015 and the amount our home has been valued at is shocking.  I don't know how the house prices are justified.

I'm worried we will buy and then the market will burst (as it did in Florida back around 2005).  My husband thinks I'm worrying for nothing.


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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2015, 03:55:09 PM »
Damned immigrants! We'd have to build a city the size of Colchester every week to house them....

700,000 empty homes in GB

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/23/europe-11m-empty-properties-enough-house-homeless-continent-twice

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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2015, 01:17:41 AM »
It's only just Spring, in my experience houses tend to come on the market in late Spring/early Summer.


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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2015, 09:56:27 AM »
In the 'family home' bracket in Leeds i.e. £300,000+, we notice that there are virtually no properties, and those that are on the market have with regular price reductions, don't shift or are removed from the market.

Below this, i.e. starter homes, we notice that homes are priced to sell and shift at a comfortable rate. So I think the bottom of the housing market and rentals are where the money are for agents.

This, of course, is just my personal observation and your mileage may vary.   :)


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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2015, 11:47:01 AM »
We are stuck in the £250K and below range....there were a few on Rightmove that looked like they would work in the £220-230K range, but when we looked at them...ouch....needed much much work. One had what we thought was some ceiling damage we thought might have been from a leak....turns out the guy was handicapped and had an elevator put into the living room...straight up through the ceiling. It also was pretty trashed in general. So getting a house for £220-230K and having to put a bunch of repairs into it is hoping on the sellers part (I think). We are fine with a small house and there is one close to where we are staying with my wife's parents that might work out for £230K (semi-bungalow). But even that one will need a new kitchen at a minimum. We are looking at 2 more houses tomorrow....one over budget at £260K that we may go for since it's detached, and one that is a little too close to my wife's parents for £230K....I mean REALLY close......like the other half of the semi/bungalow.
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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2015, 12:11:24 PM »
Well, we're looking for houses with a garden (DH has a mini brewery that he would like to expand with time) in SE London for under £300K (£290K and under if we can help it). Want to laugh/cry? Try finding a decent house in London for that price. We've found an area that seems nice and is far enough out that prices are ok, but whether they will stay that way until autumn- which is when we plan to start looking- is unknown. The other area we were looking at, which was slightly closer to zone 2, has now skyrocketed in 6 months and is completely out of our price range.

All we want is a small house (no kids, not having any in the future) with a couple of bedrooms so that friends/family can crash. We are fine with smashing walls in and reconfiguring the layout over time, we're certainly not expecting the 'perfect' house on our first go up the housing ladder. But I'm really worried that we won't be able to actually live in London after years of desperately trying to get out of renting with housemates. To be all 90s kid about this, it sucks.
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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2015, 02:50:25 PM »
Sod's Law/Murphy's Law has always kicked in when I've been house hunting. Nothing worth having that I could afford, but immediately after the point of no return on a compromise, a plethora of choices  :\\\'(

Seriously - truly understand what you are experiencing. And in my experience, the old adage about "the camera never lies" is totally wrong in this digital age of creative photography. Think it's just an ugly blue vinyl floor in the kitchen??? No....it's carpet....the same carpet as in the lounge....and wait, it's also in the bathroom, and very smelly.......

If you actually like a house, factor in the likely cost of needed repairs and make an offer accordingly. All they can do is say no. In reviewing what houses that we had viewed actually sold for (and within a reasonable time frame, not months later), it seems that some sellers were far more willing to negotiate than the estate agent implied.

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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2015, 03:09:35 PM »
We were just talking about the house that had the elevator in it.....and what it would take to fix it.....and possibly an extension across the back. Online calculator says about £15k for a 5'x18' extension. But the rest of the house seriously needed lots of work. New kitchen to start with.....new floors all through.....decorating...... The area is good, and the neighbor has been keeping up the front yard so that could be a huge plus. But..... http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-33918102.html
Garage is big enough for the car (although I would hardly ever use it) +I think I could stick a treadmill in the back of it. We both agreed £190K is the most we would be willing to spend on buying it with all the money we would have to put into it......and probably less.

Looking at these two tomorrow. The semi is the one attached to my wife's parents.
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-33375510.html
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-49638697.html?premiumA=true
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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2015, 04:41:29 PM »
Hi,

There's many different viewpoints on the whole 'buying a property' aspect to many of the UK's population's lives. It depends on your own experiences and interpretation of it all as to what you think and what you'll perhaps do.

For me, given my own personal experiences of actual property ownership, my experience working in the financial IT sector when in corporate life, also being involved in the family business with a large commercial property purchase and employing around 28 people at our peak - I'm more of a cautious spectator.

The UK's housing market is frankly beyond insane and successive governments over the last 50-60 years haven't done enough to prevent it becoming an issue. More and more of the UK's regions are becoming overpriced to the extent first time buyers simply cannot get on the housing ladder at all. The asking prices for houses are beyond a 'sensible' salary multipliers for vast sections of the population. Flats and studio's are more accessible in terms of purchasing power but a big part of the buying population need bigger places than those offer.

I've said it to people I know, but a simple(r) element of a solution would be to build higher. There's 4 brand new blocks of flats being built within a few hundred yards of where I live and although one is big with upto 11 stories (I think the upper 7 only have a few units) the other's are 3/4 stories high only. Another 2/3 stories I think would help. The issue of course is the environmentalists start complaining, the developers are prevented from going higher as the politicians/local council and lets not forget local residents have a moan as well. Add these factors together and historically it's why the UK hasn't build higher up and instead has spread across more land that's ever more restricted, hence the overheating of where urban development has taken place over these last decades.

The last few years have seen the UK recover from the brink of disaster created by the combination of reckless borrowing and spending by the previous government, banks and people who also overborrowed, and we're now approaching an election which 'theoretically' could put another party in power and the chances of the above catastrophic things could well be higher. It's that 'uncertainty' that spooks markets and as a result, the housing market is seeing less people putting their properties up for sale until it's seen how the country votes. I personally, if I had the money for a property wouldn't be looking to buy currently, and also in the short to medium term given some political party thinking is to try and break up the UK as a nation and to also try and come out of the EU as well - both of which will cause big issues financially if they actually happen. If I was selling right now, I'd bump my asking prices up - which is what's happened over the last couple of years generally speaking.

Other viewpoints will differ, but as per above, it comes down to individuals assessment of their own finances, needs and requirements as to try and purchase a property. The combination of all the above, political factors, potential/suspeced underhand/controlling influences, demand etc for 'buying a property' has become insane recently. I for one, if the country remains on a course of recovery economically will ideally not be purchasing a property in the UK again with my own current and mid term requirements.

For those who are looking to purchase, I do wish you good luck in finding a suitable property and I hope the country remains on a more solid economic future to try and prevent a 'serious' pricing correction in the next few years or so.

Cheers, DtM! West 'overpriced' London & 'too expensive' Slough UK!


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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2015, 05:19:49 PM »
Hi,

There's many different viewpoints on the whole 'buying a property' aspect to many of the UK's population's lives. It depends on your own experiences and interpretation of it all as to what you think and what you'll perhaps do.

For me, given my own personal experiences of actual property ownership, my experience working in the financial IT sector when in corporate life, also being involved in the family business with a large commercial property purchase and employing around 28 people at our peak - I'm more of a cautious spectator.

The UK's housing market is frankly beyond insane and successive governments over the last 50-60 years haven't done enough to prevent it becoming an issue. More and more of the UK's regions are becoming overpriced to the extent first time buyers simply cannot get on the housing ladder at all. The asking prices for houses are beyond a 'sensible' salary multipliers for vast sections of the population. Flats and studio's are more accessible in terms of purchasing power but a big part of the buying population need bigger places than those offer.

I've said it to people I know, but a simple(r) element of a solution would be to build higher. There's 4 brand new blocks of flats being built within a few hundred yards of where I live and although one is big with upto 11 stories (I think the upper 7 only have a few units) the other's are 3/4 stories high only. Another 2/3 stories I think would help. The issue of course is the environmentalists start complaining, the developers are prevented from going higher as the politicians/local council and lets not forget local residents have a moan as well. Add these factors together and historically it's why the UK hasn't build higher up and instead has spread across more land that's ever more restricted, hence the overheating of where urban development has taken place over these last decades.

The last few years have seen the UK recover from the brink of disaster created by the combination of reckless borrowing and spending by the previous government, banks and people who also overborrowed, and we're now approaching an election which 'theoretically' could put another party in power and the chances of the above catastrophic things could well be higher. It's that 'uncertainty' that spooks markets and as a result, the housing market is seeing less people putting their properties up for sale until it's seen how the country votes. I personally, if I had the money for a property wouldn't be looking to buy currently, and also in the short to medium term given some political party thinking is to try and break up the UK as a nation and to also try and come out of the EU as well - both of which will cause big issues financially if they actually happen. If I was selling right now, I'd bump my asking prices up - which is what's happened over the last couple of years generally speaking.

Other viewpoints will differ, but as per above, it comes down to individuals assessment of their own finances, needs and requirements as to try and purchase a property. The combination of all the above, political factors, potential/suspeced underhand/controlling influences, demand etc for 'buying a property' has become insane recently. I for one, if the country remains on a course of recovery economically will ideally not be purchasing a property in the UK again with my own current and mid term requirements.

For those who are looking to purchase, I do wish you good luck in finding a suitable property and I hope the country remains on a more solid economic future to try and prevent a 'serious' pricing correction in the next few years or so.

Cheers, DtM! West 'overpriced' London & 'too expensive' Slough UK!

Kind of sounds like your experience is London oriented. I've been in the UK twice (1980-87....2004-2011)...I've seen a couple of boom and busts. The prices in London ARE nuts.....really really nuts. The prices in Harrogate have gone up....but not overly so (in my opinion, since they didn't go DOWN so much). Are they too high? Yes.....but, when you consider the lack of housing in this area, maybe not so much. What's the answer.....damned if I know.....I'm just trying to get through the next month.
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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2015, 07:40:52 AM »
Interestingly, the prices for the 3 houses on rightmove.co.uk are higher than similar properties here in our part of Cheshire. Having said that, most houses are moving pretty quickly here, and prices are inching up. We bought our house (3BR/2.5Ba detached built in 2002) in late 2012 for £189K; had to decorate and replace carpets, but other work/improvements was just personal taste, not a necessity. No idea what it's worth now, but I would assume around the £200 mark based on other sales in the estate.

This one is around the corner from me: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-32704829.html

An example of an older detached: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-48403129.html

semi-detached in a really nice area: http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-34218105.html

This one is in a great location, but needs a boatload of work (and I doubt they will achieve the asking price): http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-47879983.html

I had heard that prices in the Harrogate area had increased quite a bit over the past few years. This part of Cheshire has always been just outside the Man United WAGS belt. Go 8 miles north, and add 10%. Go to Prestbury or Wilmslow, and the prices really escalate. Or go 8 miles south to the north part of Staffordshire and deduct 10%.
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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2015, 07:53:57 AM »
vadio- those prices would fit us great. Harrogate is expensive, and even if we stay within the hour drive or so of Harrogate the prices don't come down much. Then when you include our requirements it knocks off quite a few places. Oh well.....it is what it is.
2 houses to look at today and then we need to decide. The house that had the elevator in it and requires a ton of work came down to £208K so maybe they would take an offer of £180K which might make it worth it for us then.
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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2015, 12:10:11 PM »
Well, for better or worse we put in an offer on the house we saw earlier. It still needed some work and the sellers were already out and a bit desperate to sell. We offered £249K.....it's a bit small for a detached house but it should work for just the 2 of us.
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Re: Lack of houses on the market
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2015, 12:39:23 PM »
We will be in a position to buy next year at this time and I just can't even start to think about this.  Given the state of the housing and the asking prices in London for a place that would even have some semblance of a reasonable commute, it almost seems easier to continue renting.  But then I do the math and the rental game has its own cons etc.  Urgh.

I grew up in the western US and saw plenty of property booms and busts from the 80s and 90s and watched Vegas rise and fall (the one boom my parents actually managed to time right).  To me it feels like this just cannot keep going in the southeast, without some event on the supply or demand side changing to alleviate the pressure or change the equation.  I want to see what the new government does and I suspect a lot of others do too.

That being said - anyone ever bought at auction?  I had a friend get a good-sized 1-bedroom flat in a 1930s block in Hammersmith for 300K at auction and its a lovely layout that allowed him to redo it to his preferences, etc.  I know there can be serious money pits in there, but given the base quality of housing in most of London being barely above money pit status anyway and likely needing a bunch of gutting/modernizing, whats the harm in looking?
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